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and

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welcome back my friends

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back to another brand new edition of the

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it's midnight it is time once again my

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my name is stephen campion

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also known as the mystery man your host

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and guide

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through this journey

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into

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the great unknown

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just so happens that

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usually when there's

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you know things going on

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that are sort of topical or time

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sensitive i don't really get to talk

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about them on my show

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in a reasonable time frame because i'm

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always weeks and weeks behind and this

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interview you're going to hear tonight

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was recorded

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i don't know a month or maybe even more

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ago

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and we're just now getting it ready and

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presenting it

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but

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uh tonight's show happened to

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be a little short so i had some extra

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time and i thought i would talk about

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some of the crazy things that happened

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this week

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a lot of you have been following and you

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know that uh

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i had michael horn billy myers u.s media

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representative on my show

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to

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answer questions and

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i suppose he was trying to convince me

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that the billy meyer case is real

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now friends anybody that knows me knows

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that i've been calling billy meyer con

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and i have to say i spoke highly of

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michael horn previously

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to this broadcast because at least he i

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believe handled the criticism that i

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leveled at billy meyer the right way

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which was to say

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you know you should have me on your show

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and i'll answer your questions and

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explain things to you

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it's not fair that you just call him a

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con man without hearing me his media

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representative explain his side of the

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story

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now honestly friends i was so over this

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billy myer case as is anybody

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you know

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even people that i know that are

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intensely interested in the ufos and

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aliens

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just kind of toss the billy meyer thing

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aside like it's a joke

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folks google billy meyer ufo pictures

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google billy meyer laser gun photo

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the so-called proof and evidence that

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billy meyer presents

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is laughable it's absolutely laughable

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my friends when you look at these hokey

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that this man claims or

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real alien spacecraft

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or this pokey picture of a toy laser gun

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somebody holding up a toy laser gun

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and billy meyer swears that the aliens

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loaned him a laser gun look i even shot

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the laser gun threw a tree

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and investigators came and saw those

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burn holes in those trees

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they couldn't have been made with a

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drill or a torch it had to be a laser

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gun that the aliens loaned me

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this story is so ridiculous

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and the more you dig into it the more

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proof that this guy is a fraud and a

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expanding his stories for decades now

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they are weaving even jesus into their

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ufo cult nonsense narrative

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and michael horn claims that billy meyer

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is the only genuine

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he's very fond of calling everyone else

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a fraud everyone's a fraud except for

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then you get to the proof the so-called

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proof of billy meyer and i gotta tell

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you friends it's pretty weak it's pretty

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you know i had to think long and hard do

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i really want to let michael horn on my

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show cause i believe that this is a

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total joke of a case it's not real folks

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he made models out of trash can lids

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somebody busted him dead to rights

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the same trash can lids

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they were caught folks they were

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absolutely caught using garbage can lids

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models that they hung on wires and took

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pictures of and claimed were alien

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people caught them dead to rights look

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here's the trash can lid

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that is an exact match to the bottom

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of billy meyer's so-called alien

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and i gotta tell you friends

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the explanation for why

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photos all have the same exact garbage

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when they got caught making hokey ufo

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claiming that they were real alien

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spacecraft that they were you know

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talking to aliens and aliens were

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letting them take pictures of their

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spacecraft

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they got caught

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the trash can lid here's the

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manufacturer of the trash can lid it's

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an exact perfect match to the bottom of

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the so-called spacecraft in these photos

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that he's presenting as a real alien

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and there's really only one thing that

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you can do when you get caught this

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badly

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you gotta double down on this alien con

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and have the aliens that you talk to

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explain why the flying saucers have the

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exact trash can lids as you've found on

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myers farm the farm where these ufo

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pictures were taken

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you gotta have the aliens explain it

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and much to my surprise billy meyer did

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exactly that he had the aliens explain

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his alien spacecraft bottoms have the

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exact same shape and everything of these

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garbage pail lids that were found on his

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and that my friends is from meyer's

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254th contact report november 28 1995.

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i don't know how to say this alien's

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name i think it's pata

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and pata says as far back as the 1920s

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named the wedding cape ship

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we endeavored to transmit all the

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necessary data regarding the vehicle's

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shape to terrestrial scientists in the

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form of telepathic impulses to assist

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we thoroughly investigated the entire

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situation and discovered that the old

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newly re-emerged drawings were used for

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the design and production of these

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receptacle covers this then is how the

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shape of the container covers came about

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which as i mentioned earlier strikingly

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well friends the aliens have explained

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does that make sense to you

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or does that sound like somebody making

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a ridiculous excuse when they got caught

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making ufo models out of a trash can lid

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folks

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there is so much evidence of billy myers

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fakery forgery and fraudery

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it would take me ten shows to explain to

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you all the times this man has been

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caught

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manufacturing fake evidence

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the evidence is overwhelming that billy

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meyer is a fake and a fraud and a

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storytelling

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that has made quite a good living over

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the years selling books

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and documentaries and nonsense related

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so friends when michael horn

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this ufo frauds

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media representatives until michael horn

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you know got in touch with me but okay

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so michael horn gets in touch with me

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you know and actually very respectfully

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i initially had a lot of praise for him

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he came to me and he said hey you're

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saying these things i'm the media

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representative you've got to have me on

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your show it's not fair if you don't

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and you know i had to think about this

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do i really want to bring this

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i don't know decades-old fraud case of

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fake ufo pictures and fake ufo videos

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and fake ufo medals and fake ufo sounds

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and fake ufo alien contacts do i really

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then i got to be honest with my

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listeners i remembered kalkwarf and

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kalkorf's book

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and then i reached out to kalkwarf

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before even michael horn was on my show

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kalkwarf is the biggest critic

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of the billy meyer case the guy went

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undercover in the billy meyer ufo cult

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like twice

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he's done an incredible amount of work

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revealing the ufo con that is billy

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so i thought all right

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i'll have michael horn come on and try

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to tell his side of why the story is

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real

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but then i'm gonna have kalkorf come on

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and tell his side of the story of why

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it's a joke and a fraud and a fake story

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why it's all manufactured nonsense

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in this way i thought i could bring my

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listeners both sides of the story

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and i did that was the first and second

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episode of this season three

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of our little midnight hour show

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and i gotta say

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i was kind of surprised at the reaction

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and the

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you know like the amount of messages

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that i got about those two shows and

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things like that i thought wow that's

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that's amazing that a case this old that

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most people that are even people that

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are into this are like yeah that's fake

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but people are still interested in

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healing hearing for example how the

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fraud was perpetrated how the fake

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pictures were made or created how they

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faked the contacts how they faked the

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sounds and

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things like that people were interested

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in sort of getting the breakdown of how

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this fraud worked his

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fraudery on the general public to make

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money selling fake ufo nonsense

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so

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very well received

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and then a friend of michael horns

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reaches out to me and says oh you've got

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to have these two guys on your show at

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the same time and debate

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and this was the former office of

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special investigations air force officer

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he's retired now that michael horn was

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citing as a source on my show and

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i thought

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i remember

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there being a lot of hype and

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hubbub some time ago about these two

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guys debating

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um but

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what happened

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is the first time michael warren

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wouldn't stop yelling and screaming and

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melting down so they had to just kind of

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call it because he couldn't be civil and

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and do the debate

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uh and this is just my best recollection

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so if i'm

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you know a little off on the details i

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apologize

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then i remembered distinctly there going

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to be

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a video debate between these two and it

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was going to be on dvd and you could get

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it and uh kalkorf and a few other people

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were producing this thing

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and michael horn agreed for the second

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time

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michael horn agreed to do the debate

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with kalkorf

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but this time

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he weaseled out and said that the aliens

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told him not to do it because it was

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some kind of a setup

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and so we have the second time that

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michael horn weasels out of doing this

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debate that people honestly people

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wanted to hear these two

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you know titans of this strange story

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the two sides of the coin that's what

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these guys were

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people did want to see these two guys

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debate

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so

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this joe test this former uh

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air force officer comes to me and says

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oh you gotta have you know you gotta

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have these two guys on the show at the

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same time have them do a debate

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like they were supposed to and i kind of

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went now that i don't i don't know it's

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not gonna work out

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uh i expressed to this joe tisc who

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happens to be michael horn's friend not

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mine i don't even know the guy but i

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said michael horn is going to weasel out

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i don't want to put any work into this

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and then he's going to weasel it out of

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it

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like he did the first two times oh no

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joe test tells me no no he he's going to

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do it he won't weasel out you've set it

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up and he'll do it

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okay

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so then i set it up

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and again uh you know we got some decent

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response i posted a poll if people want

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to see it or not and i think only like

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30 people actually responded that shows

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you how

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many people actually even know who billy

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meyer is let alone michael horn you know

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but you know i was still willing to do

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it because i felt like well we did the

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first show and let michael horn have his

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piece

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and then we did the second show on this

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thing and let calcorp have his piece

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honestly i thought that was enough

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truth be told i thought it was a little

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too much even

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because i felt like

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you know billy meyer has been a dead

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case for so long and i felt like geez i

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just milked a dead cow twice

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can i really get away with milking a

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dead cow for a third time

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i don't know

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i was still unsure that this was a good

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idea

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so i did what i usually do when i can't

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really make a decision i flip the coin

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god's honest truth i flip the coin

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doing the debate won the coin flip

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so i s i talked to both these guys

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kalkoff and michael horn and everybody

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agreed yeah we'll do this we just had to

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agree on some specifics i started

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ironing that stuff out like okay i'm

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gonna ask

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a question and then you know one of you

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guys will flip a coin to see who answers

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first and who gets the rebuttal but each

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of you will be given five minutes after

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a question and then the other

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person that doesn't get the first to be

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the first to answer the question we'll

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get an equal time in rebuttal and this

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way you know or maybe we'll do three

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minutes so that we can fit in more

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questions

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now realizing i was going to have to

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moderate this thing i decided that i

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reached out to a couple of friends like

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how am i going to be impartial and do

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this right because

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i think this guy

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billy meyer is a complete and total con

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and but i don't want to be

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biased you know if michael warren's

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going to be a man and agree to do this

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then fine i'll be a man and agree to not

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interject my own opinion or make

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comments after each of them say their

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peace

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so

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i talk to a few people have done similar

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things or just people that i trust and

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admire and and i know would give me good

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advice and everybody kind of told me

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this something i already knew just keep

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time and moderate it don't interject

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your own opinion so i told

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i i decided yeah that would be the best

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way to do it and so i told michael horn

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and

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cal korff that i don't want to be

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doing any commentary or

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uh you know any kind of discussion about

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the case or any uh

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any comment after each of them answers a

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question or whatever

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i want to you know just remain neutral

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i'll keep the time

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i'll stop them from making personal

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attacks or you know

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getting off track if something's not

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relevant to the question that was asked

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to them and generally just keep time

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because i no offense to either of these

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guys because i'm the same kind of uh you

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know

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kind of person i guess but like both of

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them can talk for for an hour

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if you ask them one question so i knew

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that just keeping the time is going to

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be the biggest challenge to keep these

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guys to some kind of set schedule so

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each of them gets equal time to speak or

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say their piece

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but you know the biggest part of my

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point here is that i decided i won't

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interject i'm not going to say anything

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good so we're good we're ready to go

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we're going to get this thing going

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now i have i mentioned this joe tisk

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this guy is the guy who michael warne in

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the first interview

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on our show here was citing as total

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proof well i have this air force office

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of special investigations officer and he

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looked into it he says the case is real

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well uh strangely when joe tess called

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me

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he was very pushy about knowing the

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exact time and day that i interviewed

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michael horn and i i didn't know you

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know it was a couple of weeks before

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before

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i talked to joe and i said joe i'm not

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sure i think it was october 22nd or 23rd

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24 i don't know

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no you gotta check you gotta tell me the

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exact time and date that you interviewed

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i'm like why joe you just gotta do it

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you gotta do it for me you got i'm an

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investigator you're not an investigator

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and i need to know when you interview

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like he's yelling at me almost

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but you know

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i kind of took it as like all right he's

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like a gruff old guy he's retired you

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know you can remind me of like an old

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uncle of mine or my dad or something so

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i go look i'm sorry i'll i don't know

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right now i'll check and get you know

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get back to you when the exact date and

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time that i don't know why you need to

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know the exact date and time that i

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interviewed michael originally but okay

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i'll do that for you

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and so i had to go through my files and

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check the dates and times of when i

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saved the original interview file all

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this stuff and michael

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i'm sorry joe tess calls me back

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when when did you interview him did you

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get that information for yeah yeah relax

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mr tisk i got you the information so i

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tell him it was like october 24th at 9

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00 pm and then he goes oh okay well then

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i guess michael's off the hook and i

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like what do you mean michael's off the

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hook well michael cited me in your show

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as a source for why the case is real i

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never said that i i wrote one article

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that was somewhat supportive of the case

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i had him take it down and i told him he

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couldn't use me as a source for saying

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that this case is real anymore i'm going

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to do a full investigation okay

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so but the first conversations i think

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two or maybe even three that we had were

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pretty cordial you know

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and mutually respectful guys a bit gruff

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or you know whatever

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uh but you know he wanted he wanted to

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ask me a whole lot of questions and and

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i answered every question that i could

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and then i had to get back to him with

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some information and then i'm thinking

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like why am i spending all this time

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dealing with this guy

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who is supposed to be a source that

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confirms michael corn

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is telling the truth and that the

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story's real

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who disputes michael horn

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using him as a source and saying that

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the story is real based on his work and

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he basically said i'm just going to keep

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looking into this well you set up that

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debate get that going

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okay okay boss like you know it's a real

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weird dynamic with that guy

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but you know whatever i wanted to make

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the thing happen

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and uh

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off we go so everything's set

532
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as a few days ago everything's set

533
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everything's ready to go

534
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and along calls joe tisc again

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and i at this time you know i gotta be

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honest and i i will be the first to

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apologize to mr tisk but i'm losing my

538
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patience with him barking orders at me

539
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and basically all but yelling at me

540
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uh

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that i don't know what every every

542
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conversation i had with him was kind of

543
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like well you're young and stupid and

544
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inexperienced and i'm a real

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investigator and you need to listen to

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me and i'm like okay dude whatever so he

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calls me a third time

548
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but this time it got very heated because

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honestly i'm a human being i'm losing my

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patience with this guy why he would want

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to talk to me for like an hour or two at

552
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a time a couple hours at a time the one

553
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time it was like two maybe even three

554
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hours i don't have the time you know i'm

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sorry mr tisk i don't have three hours

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to listen to you rant rave

557
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basically about what a great

558
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:51,360
investigator you are and how stupid i am

559
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and how i need to do things your way and

560
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i don't like the whole thing is bizarre

561
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:57,600
like i don't even know this guy i don't

562
00:23:02,149 --> 00:22:59,760
owe him anything

563
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:02,159
but being as he's associate of mr horns

564
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:04,720
and i thought i don't know if he i at

565
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:06,640
first i thought he was on mr horn's side

566
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:08,559
but then he calls me and starts saying

567
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:09,760
michael warren

568
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:13,840
fraud calls out michael horn and by the

569
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:16,320
way michael horn you get all this you

570
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:18,400
created this situation so now people are

571
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:20,080
going to hear the whole thing

572
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:22,240
so joe tusk is telling me that michael

573
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:24,400
horn's a fraud and that michael horn

574
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:26,159
lies constantly michael horn's been

575
00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:27,760
making money off of this thing forever

576
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:29,360
he doesn't have another source of income

577
00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:31,360
so when michael horn tells you that he's

578
00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:32,960
not making any money from this he's

579
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:34,720
lying dead to your face and your

580
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,480
listeners face this is all the kind of

581
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:38,480
stuff that michael this is all the kind

582
00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:40,480
of stuff that joe tisc is telling me

583
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:42,640
michael horn's a liar he lied about this

584
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:45,039
he lied about that i told him not to use

585
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:46,400
me

586
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:49,200
or or my investigation as a source for

587
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:51,279
saying the story's true i haven't made

588
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:54,240
up my mind he shouldn't be doing that

589
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:56,000
okay

590
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:59,039
so joe disc asks me to get kalkorf's

591
00:24:02,549 --> 00:24:00,559
email or something on one of those

592
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:02,559
conversations first conversations and i

593
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:04,559
did that i don't know he wanted to ask

594
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:06,559
cal course some questions so when he

595
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:08,799
calls me this last time he's yelling and

596
00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:11,279
screaming at me about how kalkwarf

597
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:13,279
doesn't know what he's talking about and

598
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:16,559
kalkorf mistreated him and how dare

599
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:18,880
kalkhorf talk to him like that or just

600
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:22,559
blow him off he's an investigator i mean

601
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:24,320
look friends

602
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:26,960
when i say this man was yelling at me

603
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:29,840
he was yelling and lecturing at me for

604
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:30,720
like

605
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:34,320
it had to be 30 minutes mostly about

606
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:36,559
how cow court mistreated him and how

607
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,520
dare kalkhorf be so disrespectful to him

608
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:41,600
and you know look i can't control what

609
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:42,640
cow court

610
00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:44,320
i i don't know what happened between

611
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:46,880
them but again this is supposed to be

612
00:24:50,549 --> 00:24:48,559
michael horn's friend or i don't know

613
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:50,559
associate maybe one time source that's

614
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:52,640
turning on him now i don't know what's

615
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:55,440
going on i thought the guy

616
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:58,880
maybe just is having a really bad day

617
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:01,440
so i let him yell and scream at me for

618
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:04,080
30 minutes about kalkwarf being

619
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:06,240
you know disrespectful to him and

620
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:08,080
kalkhorf doesn't know what he's doing

621
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:09,919
and maybe you need to look into calc

622
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:11,840
court's claims more

623
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:13,760
because some of this stuff might not be

624
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:16,320
panning out the kalkwarf is telling you

625
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:19,600
as factual as maybe it's not and you

626
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:21,679
know look

627
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:24,080
this is what i told joe tisc and i will

628
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:25,679
tell anyone

629
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:29,840
look i did my time here in billy meyer

630
00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:31,440
crazy land

631
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:34,400
uh and i i'm ready to get off the billy

632
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:36,880
meyer crazy train okay

633
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:37,760
so

634
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:41,279
what i tell joe tisk is that

635
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:44,159
i agree to do this uh debate

636
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:45,840
but i don't need to look at anything

637
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:47,440
else i don't need to look at any more

638
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:49,120
research i don't need to interview any

639
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:52,400
more witnesses i don't need to read 150

640
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:54,559
pages more of the

641
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:56,880
garbage links that michael horn keeps

642
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:59,039
sending me and has been sending me for

643
00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:00,240
months

644
00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:02,240
i don't need to read any of that stuff i

645
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:04,720
don't need to waste another moment on

646
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:07,679
this billy meyer crazy train

647
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:09,679
and i

648
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:11,760
mean that with the greatest of respect

649
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:13,120
to billy meyer

650
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:16,400
and michael horn and even this joe tisc

651
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:18,400
if i was short with you in our

652
00:26:22,830 --> 00:26:20,320
conversation if i was rude or

653
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:22,840
disrespectful then i respectfully

654
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:26,159
apologize however you were very rude and

655
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:28,640
disrespectful to me as well

656
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:31,919
it's a two-way street respect is earned

657
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:34,320
had you approached me in a respectful

658
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:36,400
more respectful manner

659
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:38,720
i would have reciprocated

660
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:41,360
you know friends we get that which we

661
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:43,360
give if you call me yelling and

662
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:44,960
screaming at me

663
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:49,120
you know i'm very patient or i try to be

664
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:52,000
especially with the older generation or

665
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:54,320
you know disabled people or whatever you

666
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:56,640
know i don't know what this guy's issues

667
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:57,679
are

668
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:00,480
i try to be nice to the guy and honestly

669
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:03,039
i probably failed miserably because

670
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:05,360
after about 30 minutes

671
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:07,679
uh of this guy yelling and screaming at

672
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:09,840
me and by the way i put it on

673
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:12,400
speakerphone for a little while and my

674
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:14,480
wife is listening to this going who is

675
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:17,440
this guy and why is he yelling at you

676
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:20,640
okay like it's just kind of crazy

677
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:23,440
and it's like nine a.m on it and then

678
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:25,679
i'm on a saturday or i think it was

679
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:28,159
sunday and i'm trying to eat

680
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:30,080
breakfast with my children and this

681
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:32,559
guy's yelling and screaming at me for 30

682
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:34,320
minutes and not letting me get off the

683
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:36,480
phone he just wants to keep yelling and

684
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:38,559
screaming at me

685
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:40,480
i i just kept telling him i'm done with

686
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:42,960
the case i don't have any more time to

687
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:46,080
deal to look at anything i don't care

688
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:48,559
anymore my

689
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:50,960
whole situation with the billy meyer

690
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:53,600
crazy train ends with one more show

691
00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:55,840
moderating this debate

692
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:57,919
we've already discussed between joe

693
00:28:01,909 --> 00:27:59,520
court

694
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:01,919
we've already discussed and agreed

695
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:04,880
between kalkwarf and michael horn and i

696
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:06,399
that i'm just going to be moderating

697
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:09,039
that i don't need to comment on anything

698
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:12,559
i don't need to interject my opinion

699
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:14,960
so therefore i don't need to look at any

700
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:16,960
more materials i don't need to listen to

701
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:19,039
more witness testimony i don't need to

702
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:22,640
read like i said the 10 000 pages of

703
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:24,880
blog posts and links that michael horn

704
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:26,240
is sending me

705
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:28,480
and joe tusk is very angry at me because

706
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:30,960
i refuse to do any more of that

707
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:32,320
look folks

708
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:34,159
i looked at everything that i could for

709
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:36,480
a while i got five six folders of stuff

710
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,720
i saved over the years on the billy

711
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:40,559
meyer case and i have to say including

712
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:42,640
some of the photos that i like i like

713
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:44,799
some of the photos

714
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:47,440
do i believe they're alien spacecraft no

715
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:49,039
they're flying saucer models glued

716
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:51,279
together out of hubcaps and trashcan

717
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:53,279
lids and spray painted and hung on a

718
00:28:57,909 --> 00:28:55,840
fishing line

719
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:57,919
but they're still nice looking photos if

720
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:00,320
you like flying saucers

721
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:03,039
anyway this joe tisk

722
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:04,799
i

723
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:06,720
kept respectfully

724
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:08,880
my god is my witness and my wife is my

725
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:10,880
witness i kept respectfully trying to

726
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:12,399
just end the conversation

727
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:13,919
i told him like i'm dinner with my

728
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:16,640
children i'm sorry i gotta go listen i

729
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:18,720
just can't and he just kept bringing

730
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:20,559
stuff up you gotta see this thing that

731
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:23,520
michael posted you gotta see this look i

732
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,640
i'm done i'm out i'm gonna moderate this

733
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:28,799
thing not say very much just keep time

734
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:30,480
and try to keep those two from killing

735
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:31,600
each other

736
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:32,720
and

737
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:35,440
then i'm gonna roll off the billy meyer

738
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:37,120
crazy train

739
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:39,360
so that's what happened folks this joe

740
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:41,039
test calls me up yelling and screaming

741
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,000
at me tried to get him off the phone

742
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:46,640
for a long time

743
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:50,320
and uh eventually and i believe it was

744
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:53,039
at the 30-plus minute mark

745
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:55,039
i lost my patience you know i just kind

746
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:56,880
of said like joe look we're done i'm not

747
00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:58,720
going to keep looking into this i'm not

748
00:30:01,750 --> 00:30:00,399
going to keep investigating i'm

749
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:01,760
satisfied

750
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:04,640
and you know you just kept digging at me

751
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:06,720
well that's not a real investigator

752
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:08,799
you're not a real investigator

753
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:10,159
you know what

754
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:12,559
let me explain something to you

755
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:14,240
you're right i'm not a real investigator

756
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:16,000
cause a real investigator would take one

757
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:18,159
look at those hokey photos and not spend

758
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:19,600
another minute

759
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:21,520
trying to prove if this thing is real or

760
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:22,880
fake

761
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:25,679
so god is my witness as best as i recall

762
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:27,760
i did not even you know i didn't hang up

763
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:29,200
on him or anything like that i just kind

764
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:30,000
of

765
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:35,279
gotta go i'm sorry yeah uh-huh uh-huh

766
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:37,200
and as soon as that person says like

767
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:38,960
okay goodbye or something he said

768
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:42,159
something to the effect of

769
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:43,679
we'll talk later goodbye or something

770
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:46,559
like okay click that's it i'm done with

771
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:48,240
that call i'm not gonna waste any more

772
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:50,320
of my time and i'm certainly not gonna

773
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:52,080
let a guy yell at me for another half

774
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:53,760
hour

775
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:56,080
okay like i don't understand this

776
00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:57,679
michael horn like

777
00:31:02,470 --> 00:30:59,919
what is what is the threshold like if i

778
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:02,480
had let your friend

779
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:05,200
yell at me for 40 minutes would you

780
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:07,760
would you still be okay an hour would it

781
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:10,559
be 90 minutes like what how long was i

782
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:12,720
supposed to let your associate call me

783
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:14,240
on the phone

784
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:16,399
nine o'clock on a sunday morning while

785
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:18,559
i'm having breakfast sunday breakfast

786
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:21,440
with my family and yell and scream at me

787
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:23,600
how long was i supposed to do that mr

788
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:25,519
horn how long was i supposed to tolerate

789
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:27,840
that before i said that's enough i gave

790
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:29,279
him 30 minutes

791
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:32,240
interrupting my family's breakfast

792
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:34,399
for nonsense

793
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:35,519
okay

794
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:36,320
so

795
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:40,000
true to his weasel nature michael horn

796
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:42,320
uses this phone call

797
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:44,960
and the fact that i would not allow his

798
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:46,960
associate to scream at me for more than

799
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:50,399
30 minutes as an excuse to bail out of

800
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:51,679
the debate

801
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:53,760
for those of you keeping track that's

802
00:31:58,950 --> 00:31:56,480
three times now that michael horn has

803
00:32:04,230 --> 00:31:58,960
made up some excuse and weaseled out of

804
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:05,509
gotta tell you this one's pretty

805
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:06,799
creative though though i thought the

806
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:08,960
last one was the best though aliens

807
00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:11,919
contacted him telepathically i think and

808
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:13,840
told him not to do the debate with cal

809
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:17,039
korff because it was a setup

810
00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:18,880
and it wasn't going to go well if he

811
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:22,880
went through with it the alien saved him

812
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:24,640
well this time he didn't have aliens he

813
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:25,919
had a friend calling me yelling and

814
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:27,760
screaming at me and when i refused to

815
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,240
tolerate that form of verbal abuse for

816
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:32,640
more than 30 minutes suddenly that's an

817
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:36,320
excuse for him to pull out of the debate

818
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:39,360
with kalkor for the third time

819
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:43,039
mr weasel michael horn

820
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:45,679
you know and i gotta say that

821
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:47,440
this guy's supposed to be a media

822
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:49,039
representative

823
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:50,799
i have never heard a media

824
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:52,640
representative just straight calling

825
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:54,720
people morons and idiots and telling

826
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:56,960
people they're stupid

827
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:58,960
on social media i don't think that's

828
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:01,200
beneficial to the billy meyer cause for

829
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:02,880
him to be doing that it's not just me

830
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:04,960
folks it's anybody chiming in that

831
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:07,279
disagrees with him

832
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:11,760
so you know i awake yesterday to a

833
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:14,399
twitter full down twitter meltdown of

834
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:18,000
michael horns it was pretty crazy

835
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:20,080
i want to read this so i'm sure that i

836
00:33:23,909 --> 00:33:22,000
get him exactly right now remember joe

837
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:23,919
tisc is the guy that i'm explaining

838
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:27,039
called me yelling and screaming at me

839
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:29,840
and so michael horn posts

840
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:33,039
joe tisc former us air force office of

841
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:35,200
special investigation

842
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:37,120
state department case supervisor and

843
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:39,600
background investigator concluded your

844
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:41,840
prejudicial and amateurish views

845
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:45,600
disqualify you as a neutral moderator

846
00:33:50,830 --> 00:33:47,440
corth horn debate will have a real

847
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:54,710
okay so i'm not sure why i'm uh

848
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:56,080
amateurish

849
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:57,519
because

850
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:00,640
you know i i would think that calling a

851
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:02,960
show host or having a friend call a show

852
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:05,279
host yelling and screaming at him

853
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:08,639
is amateurish that's just my opinion

854
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:12,159
uh and as far as being prejudicial we we

855
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:13,599
michael horn and

856
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:15,440
kalkorf and i went over that i wasn't

857
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:16,800
going to be prejudicial because i wasn't

858
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:18,960
going to say anything i was going to let

859
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:20,800
these two guys duke it out that was my

860
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:25,040
plan they both knew that was my plan

861
00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:27,359
and folks i just got to say something

862
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:29,280
i'm a man of my word if i tell you i'm

863
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:31,520
going to do something hey

864
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:33,599
sometimes it might take me a while to

865
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:36,000
get it done but i will do what i say i'm

866
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:37,200
gonna do

867
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:39,599
i'm a man of my word and to his credit

868
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:41,599
kalkwarf was still a man of his word and

869
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:43,919
he was willing to do it and kalkorf had

870
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:44,879
no

871
00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:49,119
said tell me what time of day i'll be

872
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:51,440
there and we'll do it he didn't care

873
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:53,359
michael warren you know a little more

874
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:55,119
cautious and you know

875
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:57,520
fine i'll do you know whatever these

876
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:59,119
guys want

877
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:01,119
and i can't lie i guess i wanted to see

878
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:02,960
this happen because i remember when this

879
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:05,119
debate thing between these two guys came

880
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:07,520
up the first two times and it didn't

881
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:08,720
work out

882
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:11,040
and i wanted to see it

883
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:11,920
so

884
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:15,040
yeah i i got a little upset like this is

885
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:18,000
stupid i've wasted so much time on this

886
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:20,640
billy meyer crazy train that honestly

887
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:22,560
nobody cares about the billy meyer crazy

888
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:26,480
train i i just heard uh cw channel shout

889
00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:28,800
out to cw chandler talking about this

890
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:30,560
and he was saying you know it's only the

891
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:32,320
skeptics to talk about the billy meyer

892
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:34,800
case and really to use it as an example

893
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:38,000
of like how ridiculous these ufo con men

894
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:39,040
are

895
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:41,280
and uh yeah i would fall into that

896
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:42,960
category nobody's talking about this

897
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:44,880
case nobody thinks this case is still

898
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:46,800
worth looking into

899
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:49,440
you know honestly like i said i milked a

900
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:52,160
dead cow twice already having

901
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:54,160
first michael horn on my show then

902
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:56,079
having kalkwarf on my show that's

903
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:58,720
milking a dead cow twice

904
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:00,320
you know and you know that saying quit

905
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:03,040
while you're ahead i was ahead i milked

906
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:04,880
that dead cow twice

907
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:07,440
but god damn it i had to go try to milk

908
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:09,680
that dead cow a third time and that's

909
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:12,880
when this all happened and look

910
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:16,240
michael horn went on a tirade for all

911
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:18,240
day two days now

912
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:20,240
uh let me see i've been called a fake

913
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:22,480
investigator a terrible researcher a

914
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:26,000
[\h__\h] a lazy whiny millennial

915
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:28,000
an amateur an east coast hack and

916
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:29,920
irrelevant

917
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:33,200
uh and this is just you know this is

918
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:34,880
just today's stuff and this is all

919
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:36,960
coming from michael horn and his one

920
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:39,520
twitter supporter somebody that made a

921
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:41,920
funny uh meme of me and called the

922
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:43,680
midnight hour you know they changed the

923
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:46,079
midnight hour show to the amateur hour

924
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:47,200
show

925
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:49,599
uh steven cambion is the lightweight

926
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:52,079
amateur hour show join us to [\h__\h] up the

927
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:55,040
paranormal in the midnight hour

928
00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:56,880
uh oh they must have forgot to taken

929
00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:59,200
that midnight hour out and then they

930
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:01,359
they have me and a rat in the picture

931
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:03,359
they took one of my graphics and just

932
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:06,240
put a rat on me that's awesome

933
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:06,960
uh

934
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:08,800
and you know listen

935
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:09,839
uh

936
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:11,839
i don't know you can call me an amateur

937
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:13,599
you're right i'm not getting i'm not

938
00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:15,520
earning a full-time living at this not

939
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:17,119
like you michael horn who've been

940
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:19,359
working this ufo circuit and selling

941
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:22,320
books and dvds and videos

942
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:25,359
for what decades now yeah is that what a

943
00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:26,800
professional is

944
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:30,400
you that gives their word and then

945
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:33,760
weasels out of it not once

946
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:36,800
not only did you weasel out of it once

947
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:38,480
michael horn you weaseled out of it a

948
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:40,880
second time and here we are you're

949
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:43,920
weaseling out of it a third time

950
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:45,760
now the reason that i'm discussing all

951
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,320
of this is because suddenly

952
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:50,400
it makes sense what

953
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,400
he's trying to do here because well it

954
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:54,720
doesn't really make sense because

955
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:56,800
then we get some kind of

956
00:38:01,990 --> 00:37:59,200
nonsense uh about

957
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:02,000
how he was going to have michael deacon

958
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:03,680
who i i didn't know who michael deacon

959
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:06,079
was he's another show host though do the

960
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:07,119
show

961
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:11,040
uh you know so i said uh this

962
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:12,640
michael horn wants to move the debate to

963
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:14,320
michael deacon's show someone who did

964
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:16,000
zero work on all this so far michael

965
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:17,359
deacon who i don't know is just

966
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:19,119
perfectly okay with taking a story from

967
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:20,880
another show host who worked on this for

968
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:22,880
weeks and weeks now

969
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:24,640
because michael deacon said he's all in

970
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:27,119
to do this with with uh

971
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:29,760
with michael horne and i guess kalkwarf

972
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:31,920
to his credit kalkor said i'm not doing

973
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:33,520
it on anybody else's show you're the one

974
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:35,920
that did all the work on this so far uh

975
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:37,920
it's that wouldn't be fair and besides

976
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:39,920
that that would be rewarding michael's

977
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:42,000
antics and the other

978
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:43,920
thing that may or may not be worthy of

979
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:45,280
note is just

980
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:46,480
you know the numbers and the

981
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:48,400
distribution it doesn't make sense to

982
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:51,760
move it to a venue that's you know

983
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:54,160
got less numbers i don't know

984
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:55,599
but i could be wrong about that i don't

985
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,920
know this guy or his show i do know that

986
00:39:01,910 --> 00:38:59,440
one of his listeners called me an east

987
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:01,920
coast hack so thanks for that that that

988
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:04,079
makes me feel great i'm an east coast

989
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:05,440
hack

990
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:07,760
i don't know what

991
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:09,280
i don't know me i just call somebody a

992
00:39:13,589 --> 00:39:10,880
hack i don't think what coast they came

993
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:13,599
from if their hack is relevant but okay

994
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:15,760
this is where we're at

995
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:17,839
and so you know

996
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:19,200
all of this stuff got me to really

997
00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:21,200
thinking about this whole

998
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:23,119
i don't know i got me thinking about the

999
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:25,119
entertainment industry

1000
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:26,400
and where

1001
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:28,079
you know in the end entertainment

1002
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:30,160
industry which i have been involved in

1003
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:33,200
for a long long time there are people

1004
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:36,160
that would stab you in the back just for

1005
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:38,560
a tiny little bit more spotlight than

1006
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:40,079
they

1007
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:43,920
what i mean like i've had

1008
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:46,960
incredible friends you know guys that i

1009
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:48,800
totally trusted when i was in my rock

1010
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:50,720
band days just stab me in the back and

1011
00:39:55,829 --> 00:39:53,359
lie to the promoter and say like oh we

1012
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:55,839
can't go first on that show because our

1013
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:57,599
bass player won't be

1014
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:59,920
you know getting back from new york he

1015
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:00,880
has a

1016
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:03,119
an exam or so you know they make up some

1017
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:05,200
excuse and then they get

1018
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:06,720
they bump me

1019
00:40:11,349 --> 00:40:09,119
and now i'm the opening act and i get to

1020
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:11,359
play to an audience of four people that

1021
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:13,680
night instead of an hour or two later

1022
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:15,839
where there's going to be 150 or 300

1023
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:16,640
people

1024
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:18,880
jammed in that club you know this is the

1025
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:20,160
kind of stuff that i've been dealing

1026
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:21,599
with my whole life and quite honestly

1027
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:25,119
i'm sick of it and i i i just i made it

1028
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:27,119
my policy a while ago that when

1029
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:29,680
somebody's a backstabbing weasel you cut

1030
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:33,280
your ties because a backstabbing weasel

1031
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:35,680
is always going to be a backstabbing

1032
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:38,480
weasel you know

1033
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:40,079
a snake

1034
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:42,240
or a weasel

1035
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:44,480
like michael horn is always going to be

1036
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:46,960
a snake and a weasel

1037
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:49,680
and we can see michael horn's snake and

1038
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:52,079
weasel nature in this twitter meltdown

1039
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:54,960
that he had for two days straight

1040
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:57,440
calling me an amateur and calling me

1041
00:41:03,190 --> 00:40:59,920
unqualified i'm not a real investigator

1042
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:03,200
and i'm a [\h__\h] like and he's calling me

1043
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:05,680
unprofessional you sir are supposed to

1044
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:08,480
be the u.s media representative for the

1045
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:11,440
only genuine alien contact d on the

1046
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:14,079
planet earth i would think

1047
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:16,079
you would conduct yourself

1048
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:18,880
a little better than this

1049
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:20,720
i would think that you would behave

1050
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:23,200
better and not call other people on

1051
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:25,599
twitter morons because it's not just me

1052
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:28,400
he's acting like this too it's crazy you

1053
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:29,920
know but back what i was

1054
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:32,400
saying about snakes

1055
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:34,640
like my friends when you find out that

1056
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:37,440
someone involved in your life is a snake

1057
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:39,520
and they bite you

1058
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:40,720
okay

1059
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:42,319
you know you didn't know they were a

1060
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:43,359
snake

1061
00:41:47,589 --> 00:41:45,599
and i gotta say michael horn look i

1062
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:47,599
praised him because i was talking about

1063
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:49,599
other ufo con men and how they were

1064
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:52,480
attacking people and you know name

1065
00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:54,880
calling and doxing people and doing all

1066
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:57,760
this nefarious stuff and i said hey you

1067
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,040
know michael horn that's the way to

1068
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:01,440
handle it somebody says you're a fraud

1069
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:04,880
go on the show talk to them talk it out

1070
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:07,440
have some sort of mutual respect though

1071
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:08,319
and

1072
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:12,720
horn did it the right way but now we see

1073
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:15,119
the true colors of michael horn and we

1074
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:17,680
find out his true snake nature

1075
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:18,720
i

1076
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:22,800
and then he

1077
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:24,319
doesn't get what he wants from this

1078
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:26,880
debate for one reason or another

1079
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:30,160
and he bites me snake that he is and

1080
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:32,000
weasel that he is weasels out of the

1081
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:34,720
debate with cow core for the third time

1082
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:38,720
nail so why am i suppo i'm not surprised

1083
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:41,280
that he did this

1084
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:44,400
all right i'm a little surprised

1085
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:45,359
listen

1086
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:48,640
i was very uh pushy to michael in our

1087
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:50,720
interview but i thought it was a great

1088
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:53,599
interview and so did a lot of people

1089
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:54,400
i

1090
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:01,119
respectful and not

1091
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:02,960
you know go too far

1092
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:04,640
or be nasty

1093
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:05,680
you know

1094
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:08,079
i did my best i'm a human being if i

1095
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:09,839
failed in that regard then i apologize

1096
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:12,800
to my listeners and a michael horn

1097
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:14,720
but here's the thing

1098
00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:16,319
in that interview with michael horn i

1099
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:18,560
took away two of his great sources that

1100
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:21,359
he loves to quote for why the story is

1101
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:23,359
real

1102
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:25,920
this man constantly mentions all these

1103
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:28,720
image analysts looked at these photos no

1104
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:31,920
folks mostly he's got jim deletoso a

1105
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:34,400
disgraced self-taught

1106
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:35,920
self-proclaimed

1107
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,160
image analyst that lied about his

1108
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:40,400
education and his credentials multiple

1109
00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:47,510
oh and what's his other source wendell

1110
00:43:51,990 --> 00:43:50,480
stevens a child rapist

1111
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:52,000
i took away

1112
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:54,400
the two sources that he loves to throw

1113
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:56,720
information out to the public and say

1114
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:58,160
look this wendell stevens guy

1115
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:00,079
investigated this case and said it was

1116
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:02,800
real yes but wendell stevens was also a

1117
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:05,440
convicted child rapist he's not someone

1118
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:07,280
you can trust

1119
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:09,760
to be trustworthy with anything he tells

1120
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:12,240
you i'm sorry michael horn

1121
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:15,040
but neither i or anyone i know

1122
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:17,440
trusts a convicted child rapist to tell

1123
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:18,800
us the truth

1124
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:24,000
it's just let's call it a leap of reason

1125
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:26,079
it's a reasonable conclusion to make

1126
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:28,880
that a man who rapes children is not

1127
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:30,560
someone you can trust

1128
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:32,640
and the fact that billy meyer's u.s

1129
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:35,040
media representative has been quoting a

1130
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:37,680
convicted child rapist as proof of his

1131
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:40,800
case being real for years and years and

1132
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:44,000
years and no one ever called him on it i

1133
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:46,480
called you on it michael i called you on

1134
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:48,960
using a convicted child rapist as a

1135
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:51,200
source for why you're saying

1136
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:54,480
that billy meyer talks to aliens

1137
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:57,359
by your logic we're supposed to believe

1138
00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:59,359
that billy meyer talks to aliens because

1139
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:01,520
a convicted child rapist looked into it

1140
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:07,750
folks

1141
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:09,920
i regret not being able to bring you the

1142
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,760
debate because some people in my

1143
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:13,520
audience wanted to see this happen you

1144
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:15,119
know it was going to be a lot of drama

1145
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:17,040
and fireworks and people wanted to see

1146
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:19,599
it happen i tried to bring it to you and

1147
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:22,640
i want to make one thing clear i am a

1148
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:25,839
man of my word ask anybody that knows me

1149
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:28,160
i said that i would conduct a debate and

1150
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:30,960
i would try to stay neutral and not make

1151
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:33,200
comments and whatever

1152
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:36,079
and just keep time and let those two you

1153
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:38,640
know basically kill each other uh

1154
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:40,880
civilly you know i was gonna let some

1155
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:42,880
fireworks fly but pull them back i was

1156
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:45,119
gonna you know i had a whole plan

1157
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,720
i tried folks

1158
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:48,240
i'm sorry it's not gonna work out

1159
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:49,760
because michael horn is a snake and a

1160
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:52,319
weasel and for the third time now has

1161
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:54,560
weaseled out of a debate with kalkorf

1162
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:56,480
but see here's the thing that does you

1163
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:58,240
know i tried not to get angry about this

1164
00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:00,319
but i did because i put a lot of time

1165
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:02,800
and energy into making this happen you

1166
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:05,119
know but people warned me that michael

1167
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:06,800
horn's going to show you his true colors

1168
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:08,319
and pull his fangs out and then you're

1169
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:10,560
going to see the real michael horn he's

1170
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:12,880
been pretty civil and respectful to me

1171
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:14,720
up until this happened and then he lost

1172
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:17,599
his mind on twitter you know and and

1173
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:19,599
went on this meltdown now he wants to

1174
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:21,359
move the show over to michael deakins

1175
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:22,960
i'm sorry move the debate over to

1176
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:24,400
michael deakins

1177
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:28,079
show or something and you know he's on

1178
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:30,560
twitter saying that kalkwarf is bailing

1179
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:33,040
out and i'm bailing out and we're

1180
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:35,040
cowards because we won't do the debate

1181
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:37,520
on michael d nobody agreed to do the

1182
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:38,480
debate

1183
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:42,720
would i go on another show host show

1184
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:45,040
while you michael horn and kalkwarf do

1185
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:47,280
the debate i didn't agree to that i

1186
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:50,079
agree to host the debate on my show and

1187
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:53,200
to simply be the moderator to keep time

1188
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:54,720
and you know

1189
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:57,599
provide the distribution for you guys to

1190
00:47:01,829 --> 00:46:59,119
do this

1191
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:01,839
so when it comes to being a man of your

1192
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:04,079
word you know i was willing to keep my

1193
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:05,440
word and do what i said i was going to

1194
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:07,920
do which is host the debate kalkwarf to

1195
00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:09,920
his credit he's going to be a man of his

1196
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:13,119
word and come and do the debate on my

1197
00:47:17,349 --> 00:47:14,319
show as

1198
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:17,359
we all agreed

1199
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:18,720
michael horn

1200
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:20,880
kalkwarf and i all agreed to do this

1201
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:22,240
thing

1202
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:23,680
if somebody's not being a man of their

1203
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:26,160
word here it's definitely not kalkwarf

1204
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:29,599
or i we are willing to do what we all

1205
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:31,839
agreed to the three of us agreed to this

1206
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:33,680
there's only one guy that's weaseling

1207
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:36,000
out of it and that is

1208
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:39,839
one michael the weasel horn

1209
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:41,920
so really though it's like the balls on

1210
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:45,280
this guy michael horn that oh i gotta

1211
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:47,200
respect a little bit

1212
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:50,079
like the spin this guy is trying to run

1213
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:51,680
right now

1214
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:53,440
so kalkwarf

1215
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:55,920
me and michael horn all agreed to do

1216
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:58,079
this debate on my show

1217
00:48:01,750 --> 00:47:59,359
and

1218
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:01,760
michael horn weasels out weasel that he

1219
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:03,520
is

1220
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:09,119
and bites me

1221
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:10,480
for you know

1222
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:12,000
doing all this

1223
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:14,800
for nothing like i'm not getting paid

1224
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:17,200
right and it's

1225
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:19,280
michael horton is losing his mind on

1226
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:20,559
twitter

1227
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:22,800
now trying to spin this thing because

1228
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:25,359
he's the one that bailed out right but

1229
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:27,920
he's going to move the debate to another

1230
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:30,400
show host show

1231
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:32,880
then kalkwarf and i we never

1232
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:35,280
heard this we never talked about this

1233
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:38,000
you know we had an agreement in place

1234
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:39,680
and i gotta say i keep coming back to

1235
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:42,079
this be a man of your word

1236
00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:43,359
michael horn

1237
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:45,839
if you're not a man of your word if if

1238
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:48,480
your word cannot even be trusted

1239
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:51,680
then what kind of a man are you

1240
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:53,920
or are you a weasel are you a man or a

1241
00:49:01,270 --> 00:48:59,750
michael horn the man

1242
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:01,280
gave his word

1243
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:03,839
his word is a man he agreed that he

1244
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:09,349
michael horn the weasel

1245
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:10,800
made excuses

1246
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:12,480
and weaseled out of it

1247
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:15,359
and michael horn the snake bit me

1248
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:16,960
for trying to

1249
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:19,440
make this happen and i got to tell you

1250
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:21,920
folks i've kept my word so far i've done

1251
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:23,119
everything that

1252
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:25,119
these two guys asked me to do

1253
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:26,960
whatever they wanted to make this happen

1254
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:28,480
i was willing to do

1255
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:31,520
i was a man of my word

1256
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:33,920
i'd like to think i i am still a man of

1257
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:36,319
my word

1258
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:38,000
but when michael horn goes off on

1259
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:41,280
twitter saying that kalkwarf and stephen

1260
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:42,720
campion

1261
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:45,119
refused to do the debate

1262
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:45,920
no

1263
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:48,720
we're right here we're

1264
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:50,640
ready to do it the way we said we were

1265
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:52,880
gonna do it i'm not gonna

1266
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:55,680
change up the venue we never agreed to

1267
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:57,920
do it on somebody else's show and even

1268
00:50:02,069 --> 00:50:00,480
still like why why would i go on some

1269
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:02,079
other guy's show

1270
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:04,000
after i did all this work and laid all

1271
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:06,160
this groundwork and like we're all set

1272
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:08,800
up to do it you had your one episode on

1273
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:12,079
my show kalkorf had his one episode on

1274
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:13,839
my show and then hey we're supposed to

1275
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:15,920
do the debate you guys both got to tell

1276
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:18,000
your stories to the audience now you're

1277
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:19,440
gonna get to be on the same show

1278
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:22,800
together and do the debate

1279
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:25,440
that was the plan

1280
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:27,359
and i gotta tell you folks doesn't that

1281
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:29,359
sound like a good and natural plan for

1282
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:32,319
the way things should have happened

1283
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:34,800
sounds pretty logical to me and this is

1284
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:42,470
and once again kalkwarf is willing to

1285
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:44,720
follow through with what he agreed to

1286
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:46,160
and i

1287
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:47,520
am willing to

1288
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:50,480
keep my word as a man and go through

1289
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:54,160
with what i agreed to do

1290
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:55,599
so

1291
00:50:59,829 --> 00:50:57,680
who's the weasel

1292
00:51:02,150 --> 00:50:59,839
kalkorf is

1293
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:02,160
not the weasel here folks he didn't ask

1294
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:04,079
for anything honestly he was really easy

1295
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:05,760
to deal with he's like you tell me the

1296
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:07,520
date and time i'm showing up i'll do it

1297
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:08,640
whatever

1298
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:10,640
work it out i don't care about the rules

1299
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:12,160
i don't care about what you want to do

1300
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:14,640
format no i don't care set it up i'll be

1301
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:17,280
there that's it am i the weasel here i

1302
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:20,160
mean did i keep my word i did

1303
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:22,480
set up a show for michael horton to come

1304
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:24,960
on and tell his side of the story yeah i

1305
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:27,280
saw i kept my word that i would do that

1306
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:29,920
i did keep my word and set up a show and

1307
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:32,400
have kalkwarf come and tell his side of

1308
00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:33,760
this story

1309
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:35,760
i did that

1310
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:38,079
you know there's one piece left i said

1311
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:40,000
that i would host the debate and

1312
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:42,400
moderate it and keep time and try to

1313
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:45,760
keep my own opinions to myself

1314
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:47,040
i've

1315
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:50,720
was going to do

1316
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:53,040
per this original agreement between the

1317
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:54,480
three of us

1318
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:55,440
so

1319
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:57,599
for michael horn and now try to go on

1320
00:52:02,150 --> 00:52:00,480
twitter and spin this thing that me and

1321
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:02,160
kalkor for the

1322
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:04,480
you know weasels here

1323
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:06,800
that's that's a pretty big stretch

1324
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:09,119
michael horn because kalkworth did

1325
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:10,800
everything that he was supposed to do

1326
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:12,720
per the original agreement

1327
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:16,079
cal court's willing to do what he said

1328
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:18,480
he would do for the original agreement

1329
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:20,720
which is to come and do the debate he

1330
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:23,119
has no requirements otherwise

1331
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:24,000
okay

1332
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:26,800
i did what i was supposed to do

1333
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:29,680
hosting the two shows with you guys

1334
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:32,559
and you know so here we are michael

1335
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,240
weaseled out

1336
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:36,720
with some silly excuse

1337
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:38,400
and like i said folks i don't even know

1338
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:40,400
what his excuse is

1339
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:42,160
i mean we never talked about the fact

1340
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:43,839
that he was going to have an air force

1341
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:46,480
office of special investigations former

1342
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:48,000
background check

1343
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:51,440
officer call me and check me out

1344
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:52,720
is that what those phone calls were

1345
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:54,880
supposed to be because that's not what

1346
00:52:57,990 --> 00:52:56,720
the content of our conversation was

1347
00:52:59,829 --> 00:52:58,000
about at all

1348
00:53:04,630 --> 00:52:59,839
if they wanted to background check me i

1349
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:07,270
but michael horn loves that he can cite

1350
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:10,000
an air force officer of special

1351
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:11,520
investigation

1352
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:13,680
you know like he loves that it makes him

1353
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:15,680
sound credible it's just like how he's

1354
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:19,119
always including nasa in his

1355
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:21,760
fairy tale blog posts

1356
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:24,640
that he posts like nasa agrees that

1357
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:27,440
billy meyer case is real

1358
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:29,440
you know we kind of picked that apart

1359
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:32,319
and that's nonsense and nasa never said

1360
00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:38,390
but hey

1361
00:53:44,549 --> 00:53:40,720
michael horn is going to cite an air

1362
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:44,559
force office of special investigations

1363
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:47,359
background check detective

1364
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:49,839
as a reason for why he's pulling out of

1365
00:53:54,829 --> 00:53:52,480
the debate because that

1366
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:54,839
air force office of special

1367
00:54:01,270 --> 00:53:57,839
investigations officer called me

1368
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:01,280
and determined that i was unworthy

1369
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:03,920
and unable

1370
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:06,000
to conduct a debate

1371
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:08,960
so he's not going to do it

1372
00:54:12,790 --> 00:54:10,800
come on folks

1373
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:12,800
the content of the conversations that i

1374
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:15,359
had with that guy were about what a con

1375
00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:17,200
man and a fraud

1376
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:21,200
that michael horn and billy meyer are

1377
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:23,359
that's what joe tuss talked to me about

1378
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:25,200
he didn't conduct a background

1379
00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:28,079
investigation and like really is is that

1380
00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:30,319
what michael horn's implying that his

1381
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:32,480
air force office of special

1382
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:35,119
investigations

1383
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:37,520
background check detective checked me

1384
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:40,079
out and decided that i wasn't the right

1385
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:42,240
guy to do the debate

1386
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:43,280
that's

1387
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:47,920
this guy's floating

1388
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:50,240
does this sound ridiculous to you

1389
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:51,440
because

1390
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:54,000
i don't you know nobody told me that

1391
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:56,160
when this air force guy was going to be

1392
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:57,520
calling me

1393
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:00,400
that i was getting background checked

1394
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:02,960
or anything like that and this is just

1395
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:05,200
total nonsense that he's pulling out of

1396
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:06,880
his

1397
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:08,400
i don't know where he's pulling it but

1398
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:10,720
wherever he's pulling it from he must be

1399
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:13,520
very skilled in pulling things out of

1400
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:15,520
that area

1401
00:55:19,030 --> 00:55:17,280
to constantly

1402
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:19,040
somehow

1403
00:55:24,309 --> 00:55:22,400
keep up this fairytale

1404
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:24,319
nonsense

1405
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:26,960
fake james bond life that he thinks he's

1406
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:29,119
leading or something

1407
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:31,599
it is amazing folks

1408
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:33,040
well folks i can see we're coming up on

1409
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:35,119
the first hour now's a good time to take

1410
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:37,040
a break for a few words from our

1411
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:40,319
sponsors and for station identification

1412
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:42,240
i'm stephen cambion and you are

1413
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:49,190
well my friends we're back

1414
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:51,760
on the midnight hour show

1415
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:54,960
and we are talking about

1416
00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:57,119
the ugly truth

1417
00:56:03,349 --> 00:55:59,920
behind the billy meyer case

1418
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:03,359
and michael horn his u.s media

1419
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:06,079
representative

1420
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:08,240
who has suddenly decided that i'm an

1421
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:18,309
that i'm unqualified that i'm too biased

1422
00:56:18,319 --> 00:56:22,630
that i'm a lightweight

1423
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:24,789
that i'm not qualified

1424
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:27,280
to moderate the debate

1425
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:29,599
that michael horn myself

1426
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:35,829
yeah

1427
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:37,440
it's probably true

1428
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:40,319
i'm probably not qualified because

1429
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:45,990
i think i

1430
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:48,480
figured out that this case was fake when

1431
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:50,640
i was 12 years old

1432
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:53,520
truth be told i saw some early billy

1433
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:57,520
meyer photos in various old ufo books

1434
00:57:04,789 --> 00:57:00,720
that i got from the library

1435
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:06,630
i mean they were kind of fascinating to

1436
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:10,230
you know

1437
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:12,960
i was interested in flying saucers and

1438
00:57:17,589 --> 00:57:15,359
ufos and things like that

1439
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:17,599
cool pictures but i think yeah even to a

1440
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:20,400
child's mind

1441
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:22,880
those things just don't come across as

1442
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:29,750
i think i've always liked the story of

1443
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:32,160
billy meyer

1444
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:34,720
and i liked some of the artwork

1445
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:37,599
and the pictures

1446
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:41,280
and i would listen to the story

1447
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:43,680
of billy meyer

1448
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:48,480
this chosen one who had been selected

1449
00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:49,440
out of

1450
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:52,400
all humans on earth to be the one

1451
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:54,559
human on earth

1452
00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:56,960
that these advanced

1453
00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:58,640
super advanced

1454
00:58:01,349 --> 00:58:00,160
extraterrestrial

1455
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:01,359
beings

1456
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:04,880
would communicate with

1457
00:58:13,589 --> 00:58:09,760
they came across vast distances of space

1458
00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:18,309
just to talk to billy meyer

1459
00:58:18,319 --> 00:58:21,109
my friends

1460
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:24,789
delusions of grandeur i have found

1461
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:27,040
are at the heart

1462
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:30,880
of every cosmic con man's story

1463
00:58:37,630 --> 00:58:33,599
and let us make no mistake that billy

1464
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:37,640
meyer is one of the archetypes the

1465
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:39,520
originators

1466
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,030
but still

1467
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:48,390
even being

1468
00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:50,960
somewhat more original than later cosmic

1469
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:52,480
con men

1470
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:55,760
billy meyer suffers from the same

1471
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:57,440
affliction

1472
00:59:03,670 --> 00:58:58,720
that all

1473
00:59:06,390 --> 00:59:03,680
of these cosmic con men suffer from

1474
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:06,400
do you want to know how to spot a cosmic

1475
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:09,200
con man it's very simple

1476
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:11,440
all cosmic con men

1477
00:59:15,270 --> 00:59:13,839
share

1478
00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:15,280
this trait

1479
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:17,760
they are special

1480
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:27,910
their delusions of grandeur

1481
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:29,510
are fed

1482
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:31,200
by their

1483
00:59:39,510 --> 00:59:35,359
telling of these ufo and alien

1484
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:43,190
because all of these cosmic con men in

1485
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:45,440
all of their stories

1486
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:48,880
they make themselves the big hero of the

1487
00:59:57,670 --> 00:59:54,150
and this trait

1488
01:00:00,309 --> 00:59:57,680
that is shared by all cosmic con men

1489
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:00,319
that i have encountered read about

1490
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:05,440
studied researched or done work on

1491
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:06,240
this

1492
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:07,920
common trait

1493
01:00:14,549 --> 01:00:10,400
is also common to

1494
01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:16,789
pathological liars always make

1495
01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:19,359
themselves out to be a big hero or make

1496
01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:21,040
themselves out to be

1497
01:00:30,069 --> 01:00:24,960
more important than they are

1498
01:00:33,990 --> 01:00:31,829
and my friends

1499
01:00:37,510 --> 01:00:34,000
i find it

1500
01:00:38,789 --> 01:00:37,520
no small coincidence

1501
01:00:43,270 --> 01:00:38,799
that this

1502
01:00:48,470 --> 01:00:43,280
common trait in pathological liars

1503
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:48,480
is also shared with all of these cosmic

1504
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:53,349
i

1505
01:00:58,630 --> 01:00:56,240
have been chosen out of every other

1506
01:01:01,030 --> 01:00:58,640
person on planet earth

1507
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:01,040
to be the one person that can bring the

1508
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:04,559
human race the truth

1509
01:01:08,829 --> 01:01:07,440
out of everyone on planet earth

1510
01:01:15,030 --> 01:01:08,839
these

1511
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:20,150
i am the chosen one

1512
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:23,589
this chosen one narrative

1513
01:01:30,069 --> 01:01:26,880
is in so many stories

1514
01:01:32,470 --> 01:01:30,079
of both fiction and some would say even

1515
01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:32,480
history

1516
01:01:37,030 --> 01:01:34,240
the chosen one

1517
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:37,040
another archetype

1518
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:39,520
of drama

1519
01:01:44,789 --> 01:01:40,880
of

1520
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:47,510
so many stories involve

1521
01:01:55,029 --> 01:01:50,640
a chosen one

1522
01:02:00,069 --> 01:01:58,549
and my friends again i believe it is no

1523
01:02:04,069 --> 01:02:00,079
coincidence

1524
01:02:07,750 --> 01:02:04,079
that everyone every single one of these

1525
01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:07,760
cosmic con men who claim to speak to

1526
01:02:15,270 --> 01:02:12,400
aliens or ride on alien flying saucers

1527
01:02:22,150 --> 01:02:19,190
an ambassador to earth

1528
01:02:24,230 --> 01:02:22,160
from the council of aliens that chose

1529
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:24,240
just me

1530
01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:27,119
or billy meyer's story

1531
01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:29,440
well i was just a simple man but these

1532
01:02:35,589 --> 01:02:32,240
aliens when i was a child

1533
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:35,599
sent tutors to me to teach me

1534
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:36,880
in their

1535
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:38,640
science and their religion and their

1536
01:02:44,710 --> 01:02:41,920
philosophy i was chosen out of

1537
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:44,720
every child on planet earth

1538
01:02:49,430 --> 01:02:46,400
they didn't visit any other child on

1539
01:02:53,910 --> 01:02:49,440
planet earth to do this only me

1540
01:02:53,920 --> 01:03:00,950
i'm special i'm the chosen one

1541
01:03:05,829 --> 01:03:03,510
every one of these cosmic con men claim

1542
01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:05,839
they are the chosen one

1543
01:03:09,029 --> 01:03:07,440
doesn't matter

1544
01:03:14,069 --> 01:03:09,039
look them up

1545
01:03:16,870 --> 01:03:15,670
with so many

1546
01:03:19,109 --> 01:03:16,880
of these

1547
01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:19,119
cosmic con men

1548
01:03:23,829 --> 01:03:22,319
claiming that they are special they are

1549
01:03:25,270 --> 01:03:23,839
chosen

1550
01:03:26,950 --> 01:03:25,280
they

1551
01:03:29,349 --> 01:03:26,960
have been chosen

1552
01:03:30,870 --> 01:03:29,359
as this special

1553
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:30,880
messenger

1554
01:03:35,549 --> 01:03:33,599
to the human race by this

1555
01:03:40,630 --> 01:03:35,559
advanced

1556
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:42,549
and only they

1557
01:03:47,270 --> 01:03:45,119
can bring you the truth

1558
01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:47,280
of what's really going on

1559
01:03:52,150 --> 01:03:49,920
with these flying saucers and these

1560
01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:52,160
lights in the sky

1561
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:54,480
and these things people are seeing

1562
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:56,640
and these stories about the government

1563
01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:58,880
covering it all up

1564
01:04:03,670 --> 01:04:00,960
friends in ufo

1565
01:04:05,029 --> 01:04:03,680
lore mythology literature whatever you

1566
01:04:06,950 --> 01:04:05,039
want to call it

1567
01:04:13,430 --> 01:04:06,960
this

1568
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:13,440
of the story repeats

1569
01:04:19,349 --> 01:04:16,799
over and over and over again

1570
01:04:22,950 --> 01:04:19,359
and if you go through enough

1571
01:04:26,230 --> 01:04:22,960
of the literature and mythology and lore

1572
01:04:29,029 --> 01:04:26,240
you will find that at the heart of most

1573
01:04:32,230 --> 01:04:29,039
of these stories is

1574
01:04:36,549 --> 01:04:34,069
a special person

1575
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:36,559
who got special clearance and worked on

1576
01:04:39,750 --> 01:04:38,160
a top secret

1577
01:04:41,990 --> 01:04:39,760
project

1578
01:04:43,750 --> 01:04:42,000
involving aliens

1579
01:04:46,309 --> 01:04:43,760
or

1580
01:04:49,990 --> 01:04:46,319
was the chosen one

1581
01:04:51,270 --> 01:04:50,000
for a secret access government program

1582
01:04:53,990 --> 01:04:51,280
because

1583
01:04:56,950 --> 01:04:54,000
they had some sort of special abilities

1584
01:04:58,950 --> 01:04:56,960
they were special

1585
01:05:01,589 --> 01:04:58,960
where they were chosen

1586
01:05:05,430 --> 01:05:01,599
by advanced extraterrestrial alien

1587
01:05:08,710 --> 01:05:05,440
beings to be the ambassador to earth

1588
01:05:10,230 --> 01:05:08,720
to communicate those advanced beings

1589
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:10,240
message

1590
01:05:20,069 --> 01:05:17,109
we find this pattern repeating over and

1591
01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:20,079
over and over and over again

1592
01:05:25,670 --> 01:05:20,880
in

1593
01:05:28,710 --> 01:05:25,680
ufo mythology or lore or literature

1594
01:05:31,990 --> 01:05:28,720
books dvds documentary stories whatever

1595
01:05:36,069 --> 01:05:34,309
the pattern keeps repeating

1596
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:36,079
and quite honestly it's starting to hurt

1597
01:05:41,109 --> 01:05:37,760
my brain

1598
01:05:45,430 --> 01:05:41,119
how much this simple pattern of a chosen

1599
01:05:50,950 --> 01:05:46,630
someone

1600
01:05:53,430 --> 01:05:50,960
greater than a regular human being

1601
01:05:56,390 --> 01:05:53,440
it hurts my brain

1602
01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:56,400
how much this chosen one pattern keeps

1603
01:06:03,750 --> 01:05:59,039
getting repeated over and over and over

1604
01:06:08,950 --> 01:06:06,150
and to a lesser extent

1605
01:06:12,069 --> 01:06:08,960
it goes down the line because even

1606
01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:12,079
someone who's seen a ufo is somewhat

1607
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:17,750
why did they see it and most of us don't

1608
01:06:21,430 --> 01:06:19,200
see it

1609
01:06:23,670 --> 01:06:21,440
i wondered that myself about my own

1610
01:06:28,309 --> 01:06:23,680
experience why did i see that thing

1611
01:06:32,150 --> 01:06:30,630
in my case i didn't think that

1612
01:06:33,589 --> 01:06:32,160
made me special i thought that made me

1613
01:06:35,270 --> 01:06:33,599
some kind of freak

1614
01:06:39,270 --> 01:06:35,280
honestly

1615
01:06:40,950 --> 01:06:39,280
it freaked me out a lot for a long time

1616
01:06:42,470 --> 01:06:40,960
but i didn't try to profit from my

1617
01:06:44,230 --> 01:06:42,480
experience

1618
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:44,240
and i didn't try to

1619
01:06:52,789 --> 01:06:48,240
call myself special i don't know

1620
01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:54,470
these guys

1621
01:06:58,230 --> 01:06:56,960
running around selling their ufo fairy

1622
01:07:00,630 --> 01:06:58,240
tales

1623
01:07:02,950 --> 01:07:00,640
always paint themselves as this big hero

1624
01:07:05,430 --> 01:07:02,960
of the story i mean i guess it makes

1625
01:07:11,109 --> 01:07:05,440
sense if you're gonna write your own

1626
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:13,109
but i gotta believe that

1627
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:15,280
this billy meyer thing

1628
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:16,079
just

1629
01:07:19,109 --> 01:07:17,200
kind of

1630
01:07:21,270 --> 01:07:19,119
started that way and maybe got off the

1631
01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:21,280
rails because before you know it they're

1632
01:07:25,270 --> 01:07:22,720
faking

1633
01:07:27,670 --> 01:07:25,280
more photos and more photos and more i

1634
01:07:31,589 --> 01:07:27,680
mean there's a lot of material i'll give

1635
01:07:35,270 --> 01:07:31,599
them that the billy myer case has more

1636
01:07:37,510 --> 01:07:35,280
stuff you can digest look at read i mean

1637
01:07:42,069 --> 01:07:37,520
there is a

1638
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:42,079
mountain of billy meyer material

1639
01:07:44,789 --> 01:07:43,920
and that may be

1640
01:07:47,349 --> 01:07:44,799
why

1641
01:07:49,829 --> 01:07:47,359
when this joe tis called me up yelling

1642
01:07:52,390 --> 01:07:49,839
at me that i was kind of like look man

1643
01:07:54,390 --> 01:07:52,400
there's so much to look at but i you

1644
01:07:55,430 --> 01:07:54,400
know there's so much that shows it's

1645
01:07:58,549 --> 01:07:55,440
fake

1646
01:08:00,630 --> 01:07:58,559
why why do i really gotta do that do i

1647
01:08:05,029 --> 01:08:00,640
really gotta go through that entire

1648
01:08:09,109 --> 01:08:06,710
i don't know folks i just had this

1649
01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:09,119
attitude where like i've i've been there

1650
01:08:13,750 --> 01:08:11,520
i've done that like i did enough i'm not

1651
01:08:16,309 --> 01:08:13,760
gonna look through and this is what

1652
01:08:19,510 --> 01:08:16,319
these guys do that's another common

1653
01:08:21,430 --> 01:08:19,520
trait of cosmic connery

1654
01:08:23,269 --> 01:08:21,440
that they all share

1655
01:08:25,669 --> 01:08:23,279
they throw

1656
01:08:27,749 --> 01:08:25,679
you know it's that old saying about you

1657
01:08:30,309 --> 01:08:27,759
know if you throw enough stuff against

1658
01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:30,319
the wall something's gonna stick

1659
01:08:37,590 --> 01:08:35,040
they throw so much material

1660
01:08:40,470 --> 01:08:37,600
to confuse people

1661
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:40,480
to make people unwilling or unable to

1662
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:42,239
actually get through

1663
01:08:47,349 --> 01:08:43,359
or

1664
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:48,789
they

1665
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:51,359
just kind of cloud things with this

1666
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:57,030
plethora of material and then they blame

1667
01:09:06,149 --> 01:08:57,839
you

1668
01:09:09,189 --> 01:09:06,159
another question

1669
01:09:11,510 --> 01:09:09,199
i gave you 350 pages of material that

1670
01:09:13,829 --> 01:09:11,520
proves my point like really you want me

1671
01:09:16,070 --> 01:09:13,839
to read 350 pages why can't you just in

1672
01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:16,080
simple terms answer the question

1673
01:09:20,709 --> 01:09:18,960
for a dumb monkey like me

1674
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:20,719
because these guys keep telling me that

1675
01:09:26,709 --> 01:09:23,759
i'm stupid but then they send me like

1676
01:09:31,269 --> 01:09:26,719
they expect me to read two books a week

1677
01:09:36,229 --> 01:09:33,749
i mean really am i lazy is that what it

1678
01:09:37,189 --> 01:09:36,239
is am i just too lazy

1679
01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:37,199
to

1680
01:09:42,149 --> 01:09:40,799
really dig in or did i do enough work

1681
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:42,159
already

1682
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:45,120
and decide that this is not worth any

1683
01:09:50,070 --> 01:09:46,560
more time

1684
01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:50,080
and do i have the freedom

1685
01:09:59,669 --> 01:09:57,270
i think i do folks i think i do because

1686
01:10:01,669 --> 01:09:59,679
i think i do a good job

1687
01:10:04,310 --> 01:10:01,679
by and large

1688
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:04,320
i believe that i do a good job with

1689
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:06,400
whatever i'm

1690
01:10:10,709 --> 01:10:08,880
looking into investigating trying to

1691
01:10:12,470 --> 01:10:10,719
present on my show i think i'd do a

1692
01:10:14,709 --> 01:10:12,480
pretty good job

1693
01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:14,719
but i have to allow myself the ability

1694
01:10:20,870 --> 01:10:16,640
to say no i'm not going to look at

1695
01:10:21,910 --> 01:10:20,880
anymore of something that's nonsensical

1696
01:10:24,550 --> 01:10:21,920
and

1697
01:10:25,669 --> 01:10:24,560
you know i'm just not going to

1698
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:25,679
waste

1699
01:10:31,110 --> 01:10:27,120
that amount of

1700
01:10:34,470 --> 01:10:31,120
brain space and time and energy

1701
01:10:37,430 --> 01:10:34,480
and i don't owe these guys anything like

1702
01:10:39,990 --> 01:10:37,440
the bird listen i'm not the guy who's

1703
01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:40,000
saying that aliens gave

1704
01:10:45,189 --> 01:10:43,600
my swiss friend ace laser gun

1705
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:45,199
okay

1706
01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:47,120
i'm not the guy saying that my friend

1707
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:50,159
got a laser gun from aliens

1708
01:10:55,830 --> 01:10:51,840
okay

1709
01:10:57,750 --> 01:10:55,840
therefore like the burden of proof

1710
01:11:00,630 --> 01:10:57,760
is not on me

1711
01:11:03,510 --> 01:11:00,640
it's not my job you're the guy saying

1712
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:03,520
that billy meyer has a laser gun

1713
01:11:13,110 --> 01:11:09,990
he got it from aliens you're the guy

1714
01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:13,120
saying that michael horn

1715
01:11:20,630 --> 01:11:15,520
is the guy saying that billy meyer got a

1716
01:11:27,750 --> 01:11:24,149
don't give me 300 pages of material to

1717
01:11:29,830 --> 01:11:27,760
read and here's oh if you do

1718
01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:29,840
you know go through the material the

1719
01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:30,880
proof

1720
01:11:35,430 --> 01:11:32,480
that michael horton says here's the

1721
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:35,440
proof that billy meyer got a laser gun a

1722
01:11:43,350 --> 01:11:38,159
laser gun folks they're saying that he

1723
01:11:47,350 --> 01:11:45,110
what am i supposed to do with that

1724
01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:47,360
really you gotta okay what did you do

1725
01:11:50,229 --> 01:11:49,120
with the laser gun well here's what we

1726
01:11:54,310 --> 01:11:50,239
did

1727
01:11:57,189 --> 01:11:54,320
laser gun from these super advanced

1728
01:11:59,110 --> 01:11:57,199
extraterrestrial aliens that love us

1729
01:12:02,630 --> 01:11:59,120
and care for us and want to guide

1730
01:12:06,149 --> 01:12:02,640
mankind into a whole new peaceful

1731
01:12:08,550 --> 01:12:06,159
harmonic new era in human evolution they

1732
01:12:11,510 --> 01:12:08,560
love us that much they want to do that

1733
01:12:13,669 --> 01:12:11,520
and they gave billy meyer a laser gun

1734
01:12:16,310 --> 01:12:13,679
for no reason they just game away here

1735
01:12:18,870 --> 01:12:16,320
you go you want a bartus laser gun billy

1736
01:12:22,790 --> 01:12:20,709
and billy meyer what does he do with it

1737
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:22,800
he takes the laser gun and he shoots it

1738
01:12:28,149 --> 01:12:25,360
at some trees

1739
01:12:29,590 --> 01:12:28,159
well this is a pretty good story so far

1740
01:12:30,550 --> 01:12:29,600
okay michael horn

1741
01:12:33,750 --> 01:12:30,560
so

1742
01:12:36,709 --> 01:12:33,760
your friend billy meyer talks to aliens

1743
01:12:39,189 --> 01:12:36,719
and those aliens gave him a laser gun

1744
01:12:42,870 --> 01:12:39,199
and what did he do with the laser gun oh

1745
01:12:45,270 --> 01:12:42,880
okay he shot some trees

1746
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:45,280
don't these aliens care about trees

1747
01:12:48,950 --> 01:12:47,280
they just gave this guy a laser gun let

1748
01:12:50,470 --> 01:12:48,960
him shoot some trees

1749
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:50,480
these are supposed to be super advanced

1750
01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:52,400
beings and aliens i don't get it why

1751
01:12:56,229 --> 01:12:54,000
would they just give him a laser gun and

1752
01:12:58,470 --> 01:12:56,239
let him go shooting up trees but okay

1753
01:13:02,229 --> 01:12:58,480
that's the story

1754
01:13:06,229 --> 01:13:03,510
because when i ask

1755
01:13:09,830 --> 01:13:06,239
michael horn for proof of

1756
01:13:12,229 --> 01:13:09,840
this story that billy meyer got an alien

1757
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:12,239
friend that gave him a laser gun and

1758
01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:13,920
then he took that laser gun and he shot

1759
01:13:19,430 --> 01:13:16,640
it at some trees do you have do you have

1760
01:13:22,149 --> 01:13:19,440
proof can i see the laser gun come on

1761
01:13:24,550 --> 01:13:22,159
michael horn let me see the laser gun

1762
01:13:29,510 --> 01:13:24,560
pew pew pew

1763
01:13:33,430 --> 01:13:29,520
billy myers got a laser gun my friends

1764
01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:33,440
pew pew a laser gun

1765
01:13:38,630 --> 01:13:36,159
billy myers alien friends gave

1766
01:13:40,709 --> 01:13:38,640
loaned him i'm sorry they loaned him a

1767
01:13:42,709 --> 01:13:40,719
laser gun and he took that laser gun and

1768
01:13:45,030 --> 01:13:42,719
he shot it at some trees and he burned

1769
01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:45,040
holes right through these trees

1770
01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:49,520
okay can we have proof like did any what

1771
01:13:52,470 --> 01:13:50,480
okay

1772
01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:52,480
he shot some trees

1773
01:13:55,750 --> 01:13:54,640
where's your proof michael horn

1774
01:13:57,669 --> 01:13:55,760
well

1775
01:13:58,790 --> 01:13:57,679
according to michael horn wendell

1776
01:14:00,950 --> 01:13:58,800
stevens

1777
01:14:04,470 --> 01:14:00,960
crack investigator

1778
01:14:06,870 --> 01:14:04,480
went to you know billy myers farm there

1779
01:14:08,790 --> 01:14:06,880
and he saw those

1780
01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:08,800
burn holes in the trees and he was

1781
01:14:12,470 --> 01:14:10,480
convinced that it couldn't have been

1782
01:14:15,430 --> 01:14:12,480
made by any other means

1783
01:14:18,149 --> 01:14:15,440
than a laser gun

1784
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:18,159
first of all i don't even know where to

1785
01:14:22,950 --> 01:14:20,640
go with this did wendell stevens ever

1786
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:22,960
see a genuine

1787
01:14:27,669 --> 01:14:25,600
hole burned in a tree that he was sure

1788
01:14:29,990 --> 01:14:27,679
was done by a laser gun like did he

1789
01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:30,000
witness okay here's what a hole in a

1790
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:31,760
tree

1791
01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:34,800
made by a laser looks like before making

1792
01:14:38,470 --> 01:14:36,000
this

1793
01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:38,480
you know determination that it's got to

1794
01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:42,400
be a laser gun i don't i don't know and

1795
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:45,600
and then let's get to the meat of why i

1796
01:14:50,229 --> 01:14:49,040
don't trust this laser gun story even a

1797
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:50,239
little bit

1798
01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:52,560
there's a toy gun folks it matches up

1799
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:54,880
perfectly it matches up perfectly to the

1800
01:14:58,709 --> 01:14:56,880
fake laser gun you know there's a

1801
01:15:00,709 --> 01:14:58,719
picture they don't even have a picture

1802
01:15:02,630 --> 01:15:00,719
of a full on alien i guess they didn't

1803
01:15:05,430 --> 01:15:02,640
have the budget for the full-on alien

1804
01:15:08,870 --> 01:15:05,440
fake laser gun photo so they just made a

1805
01:15:11,990 --> 01:15:08,880
photo of a alien's arm

1806
01:15:14,229 --> 01:15:12,000
and the alien was wearing

1807
01:15:16,470 --> 01:15:14,239
tin foil or something and you just see

1808
01:15:19,430 --> 01:15:16,480
the alien's arm and the fake laser gun

1809
01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:19,440
which matches up perfectly and exactly

1810
01:15:25,750 --> 01:15:22,080
almost to a toy laser gun that was out

1811
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:25,760
in the market at the time

1812
01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:28,800
yeah i i don't know michael horn maybe

1813
01:15:33,110 --> 01:15:30,560
billy meyer

1814
01:15:37,590 --> 01:15:33,120
didn't get a laser gun loan to him by

1815
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:37,600
aliens maybe this story is fake

1816
01:15:41,430 --> 01:15:39,520
maybe it's fake maybe your friend billy

1817
01:15:44,550 --> 01:15:41,440
meyer didn't have an alien

1818
01:15:46,630 --> 01:15:44,560
laser gun and shoot it at some trees

1819
01:15:48,950 --> 01:15:46,640
but michael horton's assist oh no it's

1820
01:15:51,510 --> 01:15:48,960
definitely true because wendell stevens

1821
01:15:54,390 --> 01:15:51,520
saw the holes in the tree

1822
01:15:56,709 --> 01:15:54,400
and it was made by a laser gun

1823
01:15:57,510 --> 01:15:56,719
okay

1824
01:15:58,790 --> 01:15:57,520
so

1825
01:16:01,750 --> 01:15:58,800
i guess we gotta go to witness

1826
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:01,760
credibility who's your witness again oh

1827
01:16:07,590 --> 01:16:03,840
that's right michael horn your witness

1828
01:16:10,229 --> 01:16:07,600
is wendell stevens a child rapist

1829
01:16:12,790 --> 01:16:10,239
folks we're supposed to believe that a

1830
01:16:15,189 --> 01:16:12,800
super advanced alien race came down to

1831
01:16:18,310 --> 01:16:15,199
planet earth and loaned billy meyer a

1832
01:16:22,390 --> 01:16:20,950
and why are we supposed to believe that

1833
01:16:24,790 --> 01:16:22,400
we're supposed to believe that because

1834
01:16:28,310 --> 01:16:24,800
billy meyer said it's true

1835
01:16:29,990 --> 01:16:28,320
and also a convicted child rapist went

1836
01:16:32,070 --> 01:16:30,000
to billy myers

1837
01:16:34,310 --> 01:16:32,080
farm and saw the holes in the tree and

1838
01:16:36,149 --> 01:16:34,320
he was convinced

1839
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:36,159
we're supposed to believe this guy got a

1840
01:16:40,950 --> 01:16:38,400
laser gun because a child rapist said

1841
01:16:44,950 --> 01:16:40,960
it's true

1842
01:16:46,790 --> 01:16:44,960
michael horn this is your best source

1843
01:16:49,830 --> 01:16:46,800
this is your best

1844
01:16:51,550 --> 01:16:49,840
proof or evidence that billy meyer

1845
01:16:54,709 --> 01:16:51,560
was given a laser gun by

1846
01:16:56,310 --> 01:16:54,719
extraterrestrial aliens

1847
01:17:00,830 --> 01:16:56,320
your best evidence is that a child

1848
01:17:05,910 --> 01:17:03,750
geez yeah you know what

1849
01:17:07,669 --> 01:17:05,920
michael horn i understand why you're so

1850
01:17:09,590 --> 01:17:07,679
angry at me

1851
01:17:13,030 --> 01:17:09,600
because nobody ever called you on this

1852
01:17:17,270 --> 01:17:15,110
i mean people said it was fake but they

1853
01:17:18,630 --> 01:17:17,280
they never

1854
01:17:21,510 --> 01:17:18,640
showed

1855
01:17:23,669 --> 01:17:21,520
that your witness is a joke

1856
01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:23,679
and i gotta say folks

1857
01:17:28,149 --> 01:17:26,320
michael horn doubled and tripled down on

1858
01:17:30,229 --> 01:17:28,159
this wendell stevens thing you can hear

1859
01:17:33,830 --> 01:17:30,239
it in the original talk between us he

1860
01:17:36,070 --> 01:17:33,840
keeps citing a child molester as

1861
01:17:38,229 --> 01:17:36,080
proof that the story is true here's my

1862
01:17:40,790 --> 01:17:38,239
witness a child molester

1863
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:40,800
here's my expert investigator a child

1864
01:17:45,189 --> 01:17:42,320
molester

1865
01:17:47,590 --> 01:17:45,199
michael horn i don't think that citing a

1866
01:17:48,390 --> 01:17:47,600
child molester as your excellent source

1867
01:17:50,630 --> 01:17:48,400
for

1868
01:17:51,669 --> 01:17:50,640
your you know trying to prove your story

1869
01:17:55,590 --> 01:17:51,679
is true

1870
01:17:56,830 --> 01:17:55,600
is at all beneficial or

1871
01:18:00,790 --> 01:17:56,840
helps your

1872
01:18:02,550 --> 01:18:00,800
cause to anyone listening to you

1873
01:18:05,110 --> 01:18:02,560
continually

1874
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:05,120
insist on citing a child molester a

1875
01:18:15,270 --> 01:18:09,280
convicted child rapist as your source

1876
01:18:20,229 --> 01:18:17,030
i think billy meyer wouldn't want you

1877
01:18:21,270 --> 01:18:20,239
doing that i don't know maybe uh you

1878
01:18:23,669 --> 01:18:21,280
know those

1879
01:18:25,590 --> 01:18:23,679
that cult that he runs that figure is

1880
01:18:27,030 --> 01:18:25,600
that what it's called

1881
01:18:29,030 --> 01:18:27,040
maybe they should know that you keep

1882
01:18:31,189 --> 01:18:29,040
citing a child molester and you're their

1883
01:18:32,870 --> 01:18:31,199
us media representative i don't think

1884
01:18:34,790 --> 01:18:32,880
that's a good play for them and i can't

1885
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:34,800
imagine anybody involved in public

1886
01:18:38,229 --> 01:18:36,480
relations

1887
01:18:41,350 --> 01:18:38,239
would disagree with me

1888
01:18:42,630 --> 01:18:41,360
but i asked a few and yeah michael they

1889
01:18:44,149 --> 01:18:42,640
agreed with me

1890
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:44,159
that you doing that

1891
01:18:51,270 --> 01:18:48,400
is stupid you citing a child molester

1892
01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:51,280
in your sources as why

1893
01:18:58,310 --> 01:18:55,120
your your argument is true it's not it's

1894
01:19:00,390 --> 01:18:58,320
not a good road it's not a good road but

1895
01:19:03,669 --> 01:19:00,400
you know what you've gotten away with it

1896
01:19:06,790 --> 01:19:03,679
hey more power to michael horn michael

1897
01:19:08,550 --> 01:19:06,800
horn got away with citing a convicted

1898
01:19:11,350 --> 01:19:08,560
child rapist

1899
01:19:13,189 --> 01:19:11,360
as proof that his stories are true billy

1900
01:19:15,910 --> 01:19:13,199
myers stories are true

1901
01:19:17,350 --> 01:19:15,920
for years folks for years and years and

1902
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:17,360
years

1903
01:19:22,870 --> 01:19:21,040
and we broke that story here folks

1904
01:19:24,950 --> 01:19:22,880
we told you the truth

1905
01:19:27,510 --> 01:19:24,960
about that expert witness that he's been

1906
01:19:30,470 --> 01:19:27,520
citing for years

1907
01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:30,480
in attempting to prove billy myers fairy

1908
01:19:34,950 --> 01:19:33,600
tale stories are true

1909
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:34,960
we're the people that brought you the

1910
01:19:40,149 --> 01:19:37,199
truth and you know what

1911
01:19:41,270 --> 01:19:40,159
the truth has consequences

1912
01:19:43,030 --> 01:19:41,280
because

1913
01:19:45,430 --> 01:19:43,040
i don't know

1914
01:19:46,550 --> 01:19:45,440
he was pretty civil with me up until i

1915
01:19:49,189 --> 01:19:46,560
did that

1916
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:49,199
but you know what it's the truth and was

1917
01:19:53,350 --> 01:19:51,360
i supposed to hold my tongue

1918
01:19:56,070 --> 01:19:53,360
and sit there

1919
01:19:59,910 --> 01:19:56,080
right and just let him cite a child

1920
01:20:02,390 --> 01:19:59,920
molester a convicted child rapist as

1921
01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:02,400
proof that he's telling the truth about

1922
01:20:06,870 --> 01:20:05,280
billy meyer stories

1923
01:20:08,470 --> 01:20:06,880
i couldn't do it folks

1924
01:20:11,270 --> 01:20:08,480
i wasn't going to let him do that

1925
01:20:15,830 --> 01:20:11,280
anymore i've listened to him cite that

1926
01:20:17,910 --> 01:20:15,840
source for years and years

1927
01:20:20,709 --> 01:20:17,920
it's enough it's enough michael horn

1928
01:20:22,550 --> 01:20:20,719
you're not citing a convicted child

1929
01:20:25,030 --> 01:20:22,560
rapist

1930
01:20:27,110 --> 01:20:25,040
as an expert witness to prove your

1931
01:20:28,470 --> 01:20:27,120
so-called science fiction

1932
01:20:33,430 --> 01:20:28,480
fantasy

1933
01:20:38,310 --> 01:20:33,440
flying saucer pleiadian alien

1934
01:20:39,590 --> 01:20:38,320
billy meyer contactee stories are true

1935
01:20:41,350 --> 01:20:39,600
that road

1936
01:20:44,229 --> 01:20:41,360
for you

1937
01:20:46,310 --> 01:20:44,239
michael horn has ended and michael horn

1938
01:20:47,750 --> 01:20:46,320
you can call me an amateur that's fine i

1939
01:20:49,590 --> 01:20:47,760
guess i'm an amateur but all those

1940
01:20:52,550 --> 01:20:49,600
so-called expert journalists and

1941
01:20:53,830 --> 01:20:52,560
interviewers and show hosts

1942
01:20:55,910 --> 01:20:53,840
right

1943
01:20:58,070 --> 01:20:55,920
all those other guys

1944
01:21:00,629 --> 01:20:58,080
you've been on their shows for years and

1945
01:21:04,070 --> 01:21:00,639
years and years

1946
01:21:06,870 --> 01:21:04,080
no one but me michael

1947
01:21:10,709 --> 01:21:06,880
out of all of those other interviewers

1948
01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:11,830
none of them

1949
01:21:15,990 --> 01:21:12,880
pulled that

1950
01:21:19,510 --> 01:21:16,000
pillar out from under you quite like i

1951
01:21:23,990 --> 01:21:22,390
you can call me an amateur

1952
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:24,000
but they all

1953
01:21:28,870 --> 01:21:25,920
everyone else who's ever interviewed you

1954
01:21:31,270 --> 01:21:28,880
everyone else who's ever

1955
01:21:32,709 --> 01:21:31,280
sort of had a debate with you about the

1956
01:21:35,430 --> 01:21:32,719
case

1957
01:21:36,950 --> 01:21:35,440
every other show you've ever appeared no

1958
01:21:41,030 --> 01:21:36,960
one

1959
01:21:45,830 --> 01:21:41,040
except me ever pulled that pillar out

1960
01:21:51,990 --> 01:21:47,910
that my friends

1961
01:21:57,990 --> 01:21:54,070
he had a good con going

1962
01:22:00,950 --> 01:21:58,000
he could cite a former air force guy

1963
01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:00,960
a ufo investigator as proof that the

1964
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:09,189
that road's over for him now

1965
01:22:12,709 --> 01:22:10,390
it's closed

1966
01:22:15,910 --> 01:22:12,719
it's a dead end michael

1967
01:22:18,149 --> 01:22:15,920
you can't keep using a convicted child

1968
01:22:19,830 --> 01:22:18,159
rapist

1969
01:22:21,350 --> 01:22:19,840
as proof

1970
01:22:23,430 --> 01:22:21,360
so you know he wants to fling a lot of

1971
01:22:26,149 --> 01:22:23,440
insults i want people to know why he's

1972
01:22:27,270 --> 01:22:26,159
flinging the insults at me

1973
01:22:33,590 --> 01:22:27,280
he's not

1974
01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:33,600
what i'm presenting is factual

1975
01:22:37,669 --> 01:22:35,280
and we've talked about this so many

1976
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:37,679
times before friends

1977
01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:40,560
if you cannot kill the message

1978
01:22:44,950 --> 01:22:43,040
kill the messenger

1979
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:44,960
you know i had a song once

1980
01:22:48,709 --> 01:22:47,040
and the lyrics went something like

1981
01:22:50,470 --> 01:22:48,719
you won't be the end of me i've had

1982
01:22:53,430 --> 01:22:50,480
better enemies

1983
01:22:56,629 --> 01:22:53,440
like you know michael warren can go off

1984
01:22:58,550 --> 01:22:56,639
on his twitter tirade it's it's okay

1985
01:23:00,229 --> 01:22:58,560
folks it's all good

1986
01:23:03,270 --> 01:23:00,239
and i got people emailing me and

1987
01:23:07,189 --> 01:23:03,280
messaging me like in support of me which

1988
01:23:07,990 --> 01:23:07,199
is nice but like i'm good folks i'm okay

1989
01:23:09,510 --> 01:23:08,000
like

1990
01:23:10,790 --> 01:23:09,520
michael horn you could say what you're

1991
01:23:12,709 --> 01:23:10,800
gonna say

1992
01:23:15,830 --> 01:23:12,719
you can't dispute the facts you can't

1993
01:23:17,030 --> 01:23:15,840
dispute the evidence that i showed

1994
01:23:18,950 --> 01:23:17,040
proving you're

1995
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:18,960
a liar

1996
01:23:22,629 --> 01:23:20,400
so you know

1997
01:23:24,790 --> 01:23:22,639
whatever you want to do man

1998
01:23:27,430 --> 01:23:24,800
but don't you for one minute think that

1999
01:23:29,270 --> 01:23:27,440
i'm gonna let you twist this thing and

2000
01:23:31,750 --> 01:23:29,280
make me the bad guy

2001
01:23:33,750 --> 01:23:31,760
because i i got the facts i got the

2002
01:23:36,310 --> 01:23:33,760
evidence i can send people to court

2003
01:23:39,510 --> 01:23:36,320
documents on your child rapist source

2004
01:23:40,709 --> 01:23:39,520
you've been citing for years and years

2005
01:23:42,709 --> 01:23:40,719
it's okay

2006
01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:42,719
say what you're gonna say the facts are

2007
01:23:48,310 --> 01:23:45,280
on my side and you got a bunch of fairy

2008
01:23:51,669 --> 01:23:48,320
tales about a guy with a laser gun

2009
01:23:54,149 --> 01:23:51,679
shooting trees and a child rapist going

2010
01:23:56,629 --> 01:23:54,159
to verify that the holes made in the

2011
01:23:59,830 --> 01:23:56,639
trees were really made by an alien space

2012
01:24:02,390 --> 01:23:59,840
gun and we're supposed to believe you

2013
01:24:03,910 --> 01:24:02,400
is that where we're at michael horn and

2014
01:24:05,590 --> 01:24:03,920
you're gonna go on

2015
01:24:08,870 --> 01:24:05,600
the internet

2016
01:24:10,070 --> 01:24:08,880
and trash me for saying what i said

2017
01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:10,080
okay

2018
01:24:15,510 --> 01:24:11,920
i'm sorry michael horn but what i said

2019
01:24:18,390 --> 01:24:15,520
was 100 factually true again people can

2020
01:24:20,310 --> 01:24:18,400
contact me i'll send them the records

2021
01:24:22,950 --> 01:24:20,320
and i can send them clips of michael

2022
01:24:25,430 --> 01:24:22,960
horn continually like the clown that he

2023
01:24:28,149 --> 01:24:25,440
is over and over and over again citing a

2024
01:24:30,550 --> 01:24:28,159
child rapist as a source for why the

2025
01:24:32,870 --> 01:24:30,560
story is true

2026
01:24:35,750 --> 01:24:32,880
not just about the alien you know

2027
01:24:38,550 --> 01:24:35,760
laser gun he cites this child rapist as

2028
01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:38,560
a source for you know why the entire

2029
01:24:43,830 --> 01:24:41,440
story is true really and he has done so

2030
01:24:44,629 --> 01:24:43,840
over and over and over again repeatedly

2031
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:44,639
and

2032
01:24:49,669 --> 01:24:45,920
i gotta say

2033
01:24:51,750 --> 01:24:49,679
i'm i'm not sorry that i have revealed

2034
01:24:55,189 --> 01:24:51,760
that he keeps doing that and has done

2035
01:24:58,229 --> 01:24:55,199
that for years and is now very upset and

2036
01:25:01,430 --> 01:24:58,239
in fact he has been stupid enough my

2037
01:25:04,629 --> 01:25:01,440
friends stupid enough to email me

2038
01:25:06,390 --> 01:25:04,639
several times in support of that child

2039
01:25:10,149 --> 01:25:06,400
rapist

2040
01:25:14,310 --> 01:25:12,390
i draw the line if this

2041
01:25:16,870 --> 01:25:14,320
if michael horn i'm sorry if you're

2042
01:25:19,270 --> 01:25:16,880
gonna you know argue with me that you

2043
01:25:20,950 --> 01:25:19,280
know about a child rapist i don't want

2044
01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:20,960
to speak to you

2045
01:25:25,030 --> 01:25:22,880
that's a pretty dark energy to bring

2046
01:25:26,870 --> 01:25:25,040
into my life

2047
01:25:29,510 --> 01:25:26,880
the facts are the facts if we just lay

2048
01:25:32,550 --> 01:25:29,520
the facts out there boom

2049
01:25:34,470 --> 01:25:32,560
let's move on from that darkness

2050
01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:34,480
michael horn doesn't want to do that he

2051
01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:36,480
wants to argue with me

2052
01:25:40,070 --> 01:25:37,440
he's

2053
01:25:42,229 --> 01:25:40,080
telling me things like the government

2054
01:25:44,709 --> 01:25:42,239
set up

2055
01:25:47,510 --> 01:25:44,719
wendell stevens

2056
01:25:49,590 --> 01:25:47,520
because he was too close to the truth

2057
01:25:52,229 --> 01:25:49,600
come on man

2058
01:25:54,550 --> 01:25:52,239
and uh some of my listeners may also

2059
01:25:57,669 --> 01:25:54,560
recall that stan romanek

2060
01:25:58,390 --> 01:25:57,679
another ufo con man got busted

2061
01:26:01,110 --> 01:25:58,400
with

2062
01:26:03,910 --> 01:26:01,120
child pornography on his computer

2063
01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:03,920
he pulled out the same excuse and my

2064
01:26:06,950 --> 01:26:05,760
friends i've talked about this over and

2065
01:26:10,470 --> 01:26:06,960
over again

2066
01:26:12,950 --> 01:26:10,480
it is the favorite excuse

2067
01:26:15,669 --> 01:26:12,960
of the cosmic con man with his back

2068
01:26:17,750 --> 01:26:15,679
against a wall caught and dead to rights

2069
01:26:19,750 --> 01:26:17,760
in a bad situation

2070
01:26:22,790 --> 01:26:19,760
folks you gotta bring out the men in

2071
01:26:24,149 --> 01:26:22,800
black that's what you to do stan romanek

2072
01:26:26,390 --> 01:26:24,159
did it

2073
01:26:28,070 --> 01:26:26,400
stan romanek ufo con man gets caught

2074
01:26:29,270 --> 01:26:28,080
with kitty porn on his computer gets

2075
01:26:31,590 --> 01:26:29,280
arrested

2076
01:26:35,110 --> 01:26:31,600
goes to prison

2077
01:26:36,470 --> 01:26:35,120
oh no he didn't do it he was just you

2078
01:26:38,390 --> 01:26:36,480
know

2079
01:26:40,310 --> 01:26:38,400
telling people the truth about aliens so

2080
01:26:42,870 --> 01:26:40,320
the men in black came and put that child

2081
01:26:46,550 --> 01:26:42,880
pornography on his laptops

2082
01:26:48,390 --> 01:26:46,560
and they entrapped him and now he's

2083
01:26:49,990 --> 01:26:48,400
serving prison time but he didn't do

2084
01:26:53,430 --> 01:26:50,000
anything wrong it's just because he was

2085
01:26:54,870 --> 01:26:53,440
telling the truth about aliens

2086
01:26:56,709 --> 01:26:54,880
and here we go

2087
01:26:59,510 --> 01:26:56,719
now michael horn is going to stoop to

2088
01:27:00,950 --> 01:26:59,520
the same levels that stan romanek is

2089
01:27:02,950 --> 01:27:00,960
stooping to

2090
01:27:05,669 --> 01:27:02,960
and say

2091
01:27:07,270 --> 01:27:05,679
argue with me oh wendell stevens he was

2092
01:27:10,870 --> 01:27:07,280
set up

2093
01:27:13,990 --> 01:27:10,880
friends there is many people in the

2094
01:27:16,629 --> 01:27:14,000
so-called ufo community that can verify

2095
01:27:19,750 --> 01:27:16,639
that mr wendell stevens had problems

2096
01:27:22,310 --> 01:27:19,760
with young girls

2097
01:27:26,070 --> 01:27:22,320
young children really

2098
01:27:29,750 --> 01:27:27,910
so for michael horne to suggest that it

2099
01:27:31,189 --> 01:27:29,760
was all a government set up by the men

2100
01:27:33,110 --> 01:27:31,199
in black

2101
01:27:35,110 --> 01:27:33,120
favorite excuse of the cosmic con men

2102
01:27:38,629 --> 01:27:35,120
when they're caught

2103
01:27:42,310 --> 01:27:40,310
you gotta pull out the men in black and

2104
01:27:43,910 --> 01:27:42,320
michael horn hey

2105
01:27:45,590 --> 01:27:43,920
good for you michael horn you pulled out

2106
01:27:47,350 --> 01:27:45,600
the men in black

2107
01:27:49,830 --> 01:27:47,360
and what do those men in black do oh

2108
01:27:51,590 --> 01:27:49,840
they set up that expert witness that

2109
01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:51,600
expert investigator that you've been

2110
01:27:55,830 --> 01:27:53,360
citing for years and years and years he

2111
01:27:58,149 --> 01:27:55,840
didn't really do that really

2112
01:28:00,470 --> 01:27:58,159
well my friends i invite you to read the

2113
01:28:01,590 --> 01:28:00,480
court transcripts if you believe michael

2114
01:28:03,430 --> 01:28:01,600
horn

2115
01:28:05,350 --> 01:28:03,440
then go read the court transcripts and

2116
01:28:07,110 --> 01:28:05,360
then come back to me and you tell me

2117
01:28:11,830 --> 01:28:07,120
what you believe

2118
01:28:16,310 --> 01:28:14,470
there's no conspiracy folks

2119
01:28:18,229 --> 01:28:16,320
there's no men in black

2120
01:28:19,830 --> 01:28:18,239
trying to stop michael horn and billy

2121
01:28:22,149 --> 01:28:19,840
meyer from

2122
01:28:24,310 --> 01:28:22,159
i don't know what are they trying to do

2123
01:28:25,590 --> 01:28:24,320
sell books and dvds i don't mean i i

2124
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:25,600
don't see any other

2125
01:28:30,149 --> 01:28:28,400
benefit to mankind other than oh there's

2126
01:28:31,110 --> 01:28:30,159
the doomsday predictions that they're

2127
01:28:32,229 --> 01:28:31,120
making

2128
01:28:34,790 --> 01:28:32,239
lately

2129
01:28:37,350 --> 01:28:34,800
and i guess next year we're all dead or

2130
01:28:38,950 --> 01:28:37,360
uh i'm sorry a civil war will start in

2131
01:28:43,510 --> 01:28:38,960
the united states

2132
01:28:46,709 --> 01:28:43,520
and uh most of us will be killed

2133
01:28:48,709 --> 01:28:46,719
and there is apophis this asteroid i

2134
01:28:51,669 --> 01:28:48,719
believe that their billy myers called

2135
01:28:53,270 --> 01:28:51,679
this sort of doomsday prediction

2136
01:28:55,110 --> 01:28:53,280
shifting themselves and now they're

2137
01:28:57,110 --> 01:28:55,120
going to be sort of a doomsday cult and

2138
01:28:59,030 --> 01:28:57,120
apophis is going to come and destroy us

2139
01:29:00,950 --> 01:28:59,040
all and only billy meyer and those

2140
01:29:05,110 --> 01:29:00,960
aliens that he talks to

2141
01:29:09,990 --> 01:29:08,070
not coincidentally several other cosmic

2142
01:29:11,270 --> 01:29:10,000
con men

2143
01:29:12,390 --> 01:29:11,280
that are

2144
01:29:15,669 --> 01:29:12,400
more

2145
01:29:16,709 --> 01:29:15,679
relevant lately or bigger on the current

2146
01:29:19,669 --> 01:29:16,719
scene

2147
01:29:21,189 --> 01:29:19,679
are making the same

2148
01:29:22,830 --> 01:29:21,199
sort of

2149
01:29:26,229 --> 01:29:22,840
switch

2150
01:29:28,229 --> 01:29:26,239
right several of these cosmic con men

2151
01:29:30,950 --> 01:29:28,239
out there right now are moving to a

2152
01:29:34,070 --> 01:29:30,960
doomsday scenario whether it's solar

2153
01:29:36,790 --> 01:29:34,080
flares or solar event or apophis is

2154
01:29:39,669 --> 01:29:36,800
coming to destroy us all

2155
01:29:41,510 --> 01:29:39,679
and this my friend is another

2156
01:29:43,990 --> 01:29:41,520
resounding

2157
01:29:47,189 --> 01:29:44,000
thing that all these cosmic con men have

2158
01:29:51,590 --> 01:29:49,510
and that is

2159
01:29:53,990 --> 01:29:51,600
hey doomsday might come and i'm the only

2160
01:29:54,950 --> 01:29:54,000
guy that can save you

2161
01:29:57,510 --> 01:29:54,960
again

2162
01:29:59,990 --> 01:29:57,520
a delusion of grandeur

2163
01:30:02,070 --> 01:30:00,000
out of everyone on earth

2164
01:30:05,830 --> 01:30:02,080
there's only one person that knows how

2165
01:30:07,110 --> 01:30:05,840
to stop or survive the coming apocalypse

2166
01:30:10,390 --> 01:30:07,120
and that's me

2167
01:30:14,390 --> 01:30:11,350
folks

2168
01:30:16,149 --> 01:30:14,400
billy meyer is just the first of many

2169
01:30:18,070 --> 01:30:16,159
of these people

2170
01:30:19,189 --> 01:30:18,080
and when the year 2000 was rolling

2171
01:30:21,270 --> 01:30:19,199
around

2172
01:30:23,750 --> 01:30:21,280
boy that end of the world

2173
01:30:26,470 --> 01:30:23,760
profit stuff was really

2174
01:30:30,070 --> 01:30:27,990
2000 it's going to be the end of the

2175
01:30:31,669 --> 01:30:30,080
world everything's going to end

2176
01:30:33,270 --> 01:30:31,679
all the computers are going to fail

2177
01:30:36,149 --> 01:30:33,280
satellites are going to come crashing

2178
01:30:40,229 --> 01:30:36,159
down from the sky and the whole world is

2179
01:30:45,350 --> 01:30:42,149
folks there were

2180
01:30:47,669 --> 01:30:45,360
hundreds of prophets predicting

2181
01:30:49,270 --> 01:30:47,679
basically that

2182
01:30:51,669 --> 01:30:49,280
but what happened

2183
01:30:54,149 --> 01:30:51,679
nothing

2184
01:30:56,470 --> 01:30:54,159
a lot of it people got a lot of overtime

2185
01:30:59,510 --> 01:30:56,480
that year to update the computers and

2186
01:31:02,310 --> 01:30:59,520
make sure that that rollover problem bug

2187
01:31:04,070 --> 01:31:02,320
was resolved and all the servers and

2188
01:31:06,229 --> 01:31:04,080
things like that

2189
01:31:09,669 --> 01:31:06,239
but other than a bunch of nerds getting

2190
01:31:13,110 --> 01:31:09,679
extra overtime for a few months

2191
01:31:17,189 --> 01:31:14,390
then

2192
01:31:18,390 --> 01:31:17,199
next we get to 2012

2193
01:31:20,709 --> 01:31:18,400
and again

2194
01:31:24,870 --> 01:31:20,719
a whole bunch of

2195
01:31:26,709 --> 01:31:24,880
prophets of doom come forward oh

2196
01:31:29,510 --> 01:31:26,719
it's the mayan

2197
01:31:31,590 --> 01:31:29,520
the mayan calendar ends that means the

2198
01:31:35,270 --> 01:31:31,600
world's gonna end

2199
01:31:37,590 --> 01:31:35,280
the mayan prophecies the hopi prophecies

2200
01:31:45,110 --> 01:31:37,600
the blue star

2201
01:31:49,510 --> 01:31:47,189
i don't know

2202
01:31:51,350 --> 01:31:49,520
is this effective this

2203
01:31:53,910 --> 01:31:51,360
we're all going to die and only i can

2204
01:31:55,910 --> 01:31:53,920
save you strategy

2205
01:31:57,990 --> 01:31:55,920
because in 2012

2206
01:31:59,750 --> 01:31:58,000
there were so many people selling the

2207
01:32:01,669 --> 01:31:59,760
miracle cure to how to survive the

2208
01:32:03,430 --> 01:32:01,679
apocalypse and i'm not sure what

2209
01:32:05,590 --> 01:32:03,440
happened

2210
01:32:08,390 --> 01:32:05,600
to any of them

2211
01:32:10,709 --> 01:32:08,400
most of them shrunk away

2212
01:32:14,790 --> 01:32:10,719
when none of their predictions came true

2213
01:32:20,070 --> 01:32:14,800
but a few a very select few that pulled

2214
01:32:22,629 --> 01:32:20,080
that con in 2012 survived somehow

2215
01:32:25,030 --> 01:32:22,639
and rolled on

2216
01:32:29,270 --> 01:32:25,040
but billy meyer has been rolling on

2217
01:32:33,189 --> 01:32:31,669
and through

2218
01:32:35,830 --> 01:32:33,199
true believers

2219
01:32:39,350 --> 01:32:35,840
like his us media representative michael

2220
01:32:40,470 --> 01:32:39,360
horn billy meyer tries to continue to

2221
01:32:45,350 --> 01:32:40,480
stay

2222
01:32:47,110 --> 01:32:45,360
conversation

2223
01:32:49,910 --> 01:32:47,120
quite honestly

2224
01:32:50,790 --> 01:32:49,920
mostly due to the failures of people

2225
01:32:53,270 --> 01:32:50,800
like

2226
01:32:55,590 --> 01:32:53,280
those he chooses to represent him

2227
01:32:58,229 --> 01:32:55,600
like michael horn he has failed

2228
01:33:01,590 --> 01:32:58,239
miserably and most people still regard

2229
01:33:04,550 --> 01:33:01,600
the case as a complete and total hoax

2230
01:33:08,470 --> 01:33:04,560
but these old fake stories sometimes

2231
01:33:10,550 --> 01:33:08,480
they find a way to find traction again

2232
01:33:11,350 --> 01:33:10,560
and you know it's funny i was listening

2233
01:33:13,830 --> 01:33:11,360
to

2234
01:33:16,070 --> 01:33:13,840
uh cw channel

2235
01:33:18,470 --> 01:33:16,080
shout out to cw chatter

2236
01:33:20,870 --> 01:33:18,480
he was talking about

2237
01:33:23,750 --> 01:33:20,880
becoming part of the story

2238
01:33:26,390 --> 01:33:23,760
you know with this whole strange ufo and

2239
01:33:28,070 --> 01:33:26,400
alien subculture like you know some

2240
01:33:29,990 --> 01:33:28,080
people just listen to it but you know

2241
01:33:31,189 --> 01:33:30,000
you can choose to become part of the

2242
01:33:34,229 --> 01:33:31,199
story

2243
01:33:36,629 --> 01:33:34,239
and yeah you can i've seen him do it and

2244
01:33:39,430 --> 01:33:36,639
i've seen other people do it and somehow

2245
01:33:42,550 --> 01:33:39,440
i've managed to do that too

2246
01:33:46,470 --> 01:33:42,560
and it's so it's honestly it's bizarre

2247
01:33:51,110 --> 01:33:48,550
i used to just read about this billy

2248
01:33:52,709 --> 01:33:51,120
meyer thing and look at the pictures and

2249
01:33:54,550 --> 01:33:52,719
i used to

2250
01:33:57,830 --> 01:33:54,560
watch some of these documentaries and i

2251
01:34:01,590 --> 01:33:57,840
used to joke about it and

2252
01:34:03,830 --> 01:34:01,600
suddenly i'm the guy in that story it's

2253
01:34:05,510 --> 01:34:03,840
really a little bizarre and a little

2254
01:34:06,870 --> 01:34:05,520
crazy

2255
01:34:09,750 --> 01:34:06,880
and so

2256
01:34:12,229 --> 01:34:09,760
uh for most of this misadventure i'm

2257
01:34:13,830 --> 01:34:12,239
gonna blame c.w channer

2258
01:34:16,390 --> 01:34:13,840
i think it's a good way to go after all

2259
01:34:18,550 --> 01:34:16,400
he's the originator of that become part

2260
01:34:19,510 --> 01:34:18,560
of the story kind of riff that he was

2261
01:34:22,550 --> 01:34:19,520
doing

2262
01:34:23,830 --> 01:34:22,560
and i don't know but i'm i'm not you

2263
01:34:26,390 --> 01:34:23,840
listen i don't want to start new

2264
01:34:29,430 --> 01:34:26,400
conspiracy theories but

2265
01:34:30,229 --> 01:34:29,440
i'm i'm i'm fairly certain or a little

2266
01:34:32,790 --> 01:34:30,239
bit

2267
01:34:35,510 --> 01:34:32,800
i'm i'm like kind of 50 50 that cw

2268
01:34:39,350 --> 01:34:35,520
channel somehow hypnotized me to become

2269
01:34:43,990 --> 01:34:41,990
maybe cw channel is the mastermind

2270
01:34:46,550 --> 01:34:44,000
behind this entire thing

2271
01:34:48,390 --> 01:34:46,560
just putting that out there it could be

2272
01:34:50,310 --> 01:34:48,400
it's a possibility folks

2273
01:34:52,550 --> 01:34:50,320
after all he's the guy that was telling

2274
01:34:55,109 --> 01:34:52,560
people to become part of the story

2275
01:34:55,830 --> 01:34:55,119
i used to just read i used to just you

2276
01:35:00,070 --> 01:34:55,840
know

2277
01:35:01,350 --> 01:35:00,080
peruse the youtube videos on this thing

2278
01:35:03,750 --> 01:35:01,360
and i used to

2279
01:35:04,709 --> 01:35:03,760
listen to michael horn's documentary you

2280
01:35:08,790 --> 01:35:04,719
know

2281
01:35:10,950 --> 01:35:08,800
i was i wasn't part of the story

2282
01:35:13,910 --> 01:35:10,960
suddenly

2283
01:35:16,149 --> 01:35:13,920
i find myself listening to cw channel

2284
01:35:18,550 --> 01:35:16,159
talking about you too can become part of

2285
01:35:22,629 --> 01:35:18,560
the story

2286
01:35:22,639 --> 01:35:27,990
and that's kind of where we're at

2287
01:35:30,390 --> 01:35:29,590
i'm joking

2288
01:35:33,270 --> 01:35:30,400
but

2289
01:35:35,910 --> 01:35:33,280
i yeah part of me is not joking i don't

2290
01:35:39,750 --> 01:35:35,920
i don't i didn't plan to become part of

2291
01:35:43,189 --> 01:35:39,760
the billy myers story suddenly

2292
01:35:46,470 --> 01:35:43,199
but here we are and what a strange place

2293
01:35:47,510 --> 01:35:46,480
my friends that we find ourselves

2294
01:35:51,830 --> 01:35:47,520
but hey

2295
01:35:58,390 --> 01:35:53,990
while i don't regret the decision to

2296
01:36:01,030 --> 01:35:58,400
become part of the story and

2297
01:36:03,669 --> 01:36:01,040
i really don't regret it

2298
01:36:05,109 --> 01:36:03,679
on reflection on calming down from

2299
01:36:06,229 --> 01:36:05,119
michael horn

2300
01:36:08,629 --> 01:36:06,239
you know

2301
01:36:10,870 --> 01:36:08,639
insulting me 10 times an hour for the

2302
01:36:14,470 --> 01:36:10,880
last two days on twitter

2303
01:36:16,870 --> 01:36:14,480
uh you know i i kind of made my piece

2304
01:36:19,669 --> 01:36:16,880
with this thing right like

2305
01:36:20,629 --> 01:36:19,679
wow you know what that's cool

2306
01:36:29,109 --> 01:36:20,639
i

2307
01:36:31,750 --> 01:36:29,119
you know

2308
01:36:34,149 --> 01:36:31,760
it sort of opened up my imagination like

2309
01:36:36,470 --> 01:36:34,159
what if that really is

2310
01:36:39,910 --> 01:36:36,480
aliens man where are they from what are

2311
01:36:46,149 --> 01:36:41,750
i guess you could say that billy meyer

2312
01:36:50,950 --> 01:36:49,189
and what a strange place to be

2313
01:36:52,390 --> 01:36:50,960
so many years later

2314
01:36:55,750 --> 01:36:52,400
and now

2315
01:36:57,430 --> 01:36:55,760
just like cw channel said i could be

2316
01:37:02,709 --> 01:36:57,440
i have become

2317
01:37:06,470 --> 01:37:04,470
i'm not sure where the story goes from

2318
01:37:07,510 --> 01:37:06,480
here quite honestly

2319
01:37:09,750 --> 01:37:07,520
because

2320
01:37:11,350 --> 01:37:09,760
given the disrespect that michael horn

2321
01:37:13,910 --> 01:37:11,360
has shown me

2322
01:37:16,149 --> 01:37:13,920
i'm not willing to do any other thing

2323
01:37:17,830 --> 01:37:16,159
you know i kind of feel like i've done

2324
01:37:20,390 --> 01:37:17,840
enough like i said in the beginning of

2325
01:37:23,350 --> 01:37:20,400
this broadcast i it's kind of time to

2326
01:37:25,430 --> 01:37:23,360
get off the billy meyer crazy train

2327
01:37:27,189 --> 01:37:25,440
i took my ride

2328
01:37:29,030 --> 01:37:27,199
right folks

2329
01:37:30,950 --> 01:37:29,040
i mean that's all i can do

2330
01:37:35,750 --> 01:37:30,960
i took my ride

2331
01:37:37,189 --> 01:37:35,760
it has been a long and arduous ride

2332
01:37:39,350 --> 01:37:37,199
i can't tell you how many hours i've

2333
01:37:40,470 --> 01:37:39,360
already put into this thing and you know

2334
01:37:42,550 --> 01:37:40,480
these

2335
01:37:44,950 --> 01:37:42,560
at least the michael horn side is kind

2336
01:37:48,070 --> 01:37:44,960
of like nasty to me like i haven't done

2337
01:37:51,189 --> 01:37:48,080
enough yet i haven't proven my ability

2338
01:37:53,830 --> 01:37:51,199
and my worth to do this debate okay

2339
01:37:56,550 --> 01:37:53,840
then you know what michael horn

2340
01:37:58,149 --> 01:37:56,560
weasel that you are i kept my word

2341
01:38:00,229 --> 01:37:58,159
kalkwarf kept

2342
01:38:03,990 --> 01:38:00,239
his word

2343
01:38:07,669 --> 01:38:04,000
i can't do any more

2344
01:38:08,790 --> 01:38:07,679
and as fun as it was i suppose for a

2345
01:38:13,270 --> 01:38:08,800
time

2346
01:38:14,870 --> 01:38:13,280
to become part of that story

2347
01:38:17,830 --> 01:38:14,880
you know there comes a time when you got

2348
01:38:19,830 --> 01:38:17,840
to close the storybook friends

2349
01:38:21,270 --> 01:38:19,840
this fairy tale

2350
01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:21,280
story

2351
01:38:24,709 --> 01:38:23,440
has taken me down so many different

2352
01:38:27,910 --> 01:38:24,719
roads

2353
01:38:31,270 --> 01:38:27,920
it's that's the original rabbit hole of

2354
01:38:34,950 --> 01:38:31,280
ufo stories really especially ufo

2355
01:38:39,830 --> 01:38:38,149
i can't tell you how much time

2356
01:38:41,350 --> 01:38:39,840
i have spent

2357
01:38:45,109 --> 01:38:41,360
some would say

2358
01:38:48,709 --> 01:38:45,119
completely and totally wasted

2359
01:38:56,390 --> 01:38:51,750
and so when someone demands that i

2360
01:38:56,400 --> 01:39:04,070
i don't know kind of turns me cold right

2361
01:39:07,590 --> 01:39:06,310
like i've already been through this

2362
01:39:10,390 --> 01:39:07,600
michael horn

2363
01:39:11,510 --> 01:39:10,400
when i was a child

2364
01:39:17,350 --> 01:39:11,520
later

2365
01:39:21,750 --> 01:39:19,430
early bbs sites

2366
01:39:24,550 --> 01:39:21,760
things like phytonet had posts about

2367
01:39:29,109 --> 01:39:24,560
billy my or sometimes included

2368
01:39:29,119 --> 01:39:34,550
grab those images and look at them

2369
01:39:39,590 --> 01:39:36,950
i guess even later

2370
01:39:42,870 --> 01:39:39,600
when cable tv got really big

2371
01:39:45,270 --> 01:39:42,880
and there was a lot of shows

2372
01:39:47,830 --> 01:39:45,280
on television

2373
01:39:50,270 --> 01:39:47,840
i'm sure that i saw some kind of billy

2374
01:39:55,750 --> 01:39:53,030
documentaries or you know some special

2375
01:39:58,070 --> 01:39:55,760
talking about the show

2376
01:40:00,470 --> 01:39:58,080
i mean this thing has been coming back

2377
01:40:01,430 --> 01:40:00,480
to me like a boomerang you can't get rid

2378
01:40:13,430 --> 01:40:01,440
of

2379
01:40:16,629 --> 01:40:13,440
coincidence synchronicity

2380
01:40:19,669 --> 01:40:16,639
my somehow strange connection

2381
01:40:23,910 --> 01:40:19,679
to this billy meyer thing

2382
01:40:28,629 --> 01:40:26,950
but this last time i guess it came back

2383
01:40:32,310 --> 01:40:28,639
i sort of went

2384
01:40:38,390 --> 01:40:35,430
let's do this right let's go through

2385
01:40:41,270 --> 01:40:38,400
this stuff one more time and i did that

2386
01:40:43,109 --> 01:40:41,280
folks i did

2387
01:40:44,550 --> 01:40:43,119
and when i say there's nothing more that

2388
01:40:45,990 --> 01:40:44,560
i can do

2389
01:40:50,149 --> 01:40:46,000
i mean it

2390
01:40:53,990 --> 01:40:52,229
i'm not sure what people expect me to

2391
01:40:55,830 --> 01:40:54,000
report

2392
01:40:58,629 --> 01:40:55,840
i'm not sure what people expect me to

2393
01:41:03,510 --> 01:41:00,790
but i hope it's enough to say

2394
01:41:05,430 --> 01:41:03,520
that after following this thing

2395
01:41:08,550 --> 01:41:05,440
for far too long

2396
01:41:11,030 --> 01:41:08,560
and investing some would say wasting

2397
01:41:14,310 --> 01:41:11,040
far too much time

2398
01:41:17,189 --> 01:41:14,320
looking into this case looking into this

2399
01:41:20,470 --> 01:41:17,199
so-called evidence

2400
01:41:22,709 --> 01:41:20,480
i keep coming back to the fact that

2401
01:41:26,470 --> 01:41:22,719
it's a smoke screen

2402
01:41:30,550 --> 01:41:26,480
folks it's smoking mirrors here

2403
01:41:34,229 --> 01:41:32,149
you show me all these photographs and

2404
01:41:35,430 --> 01:41:34,239
you say image analysts prove that

2405
01:41:39,270 --> 01:41:35,440
they're real

2406
01:41:42,390 --> 01:41:39,280
but your image analyst is a disgraced

2407
01:41:43,430 --> 01:41:42,400
self-proclaimed image analyst

2408
01:41:45,669 --> 01:41:43,440
who

2409
01:41:50,229 --> 01:41:45,679
lied about his education multiple times

2410
01:41:53,669 --> 01:41:51,590
that's not

2411
01:41:55,189 --> 01:41:53,679
evidence then let's throw that to the

2412
01:41:56,950 --> 01:41:55,199
side we can't trust

2413
01:41:58,790 --> 01:41:56,960
that we can't trust those pictures that

2414
01:42:00,709 --> 01:41:58,800
you're saying this image analyst

2415
01:42:03,270 --> 01:42:00,719
said was real because that's not a real

2416
01:42:06,310 --> 01:42:03,280
image analyst folks

2417
01:42:08,709 --> 01:42:06,320
that's another pillar

2418
01:42:10,310 --> 01:42:08,719
i hope i will pull

2419
01:42:11,350 --> 01:42:10,320
out from under

2420
01:42:14,390 --> 01:42:11,360
one

2421
01:42:17,990 --> 01:42:14,400
michael horn

2422
01:42:20,950 --> 01:42:18,000
every time he says that an image analyst

2423
01:42:22,870 --> 01:42:20,960
proved that the photos are real

2424
01:42:25,030 --> 01:42:22,880
most of the time he's talking about jim

2425
01:42:26,470 --> 01:42:25,040
deletoso

2426
01:42:27,510 --> 01:42:26,480
and uh

2427
01:42:33,910 --> 01:42:27,520
yeah

2428
01:42:39,910 --> 01:42:38,390
and so where is the proof michael horn

2429
01:42:43,189 --> 01:42:39,920
prophecies

2430
01:42:50,550 --> 01:42:43,199
he talks a lot about copyrights

2431
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:54,550
i'm not sure about that

2432
01:43:00,310 --> 01:42:57,910
but i would think that a man who's been

2433
01:43:02,790 --> 01:43:00,320
caught faking photographs

2434
01:43:06,950 --> 01:43:02,800
faking films

2435
01:43:09,830 --> 01:43:06,960
and lying to people over and over again

2436
01:43:11,189 --> 01:43:09,840
i'm not sure you can

2437
01:43:14,229 --> 01:43:11,199
when he tells you that he made these

2438
01:43:16,149 --> 01:43:14,239
prophecies and his prophecies came true

2439
01:43:20,390 --> 01:43:16,159
if we've already caught this man faking

2440
01:43:22,870 --> 01:43:20,400
ufo photos faking ufo alien pictures

2441
01:43:28,310 --> 01:43:22,880
faking a pterodactyl picture

2442
01:43:35,990 --> 01:43:32,390
faking an alien laser gun photo

2443
01:43:39,189 --> 01:43:36,000
faking ufo photos by building models out

2444
01:43:41,430 --> 01:43:39,199
of trash can lids

2445
01:43:43,750 --> 01:43:41,440
another assorted junk he had around the

2446
01:43:45,350 --> 01:43:43,760
farm

2447
01:43:47,830 --> 01:43:45,360
okay

2448
01:43:53,669 --> 01:43:47,840
even if the prophecies are all true why

2449
01:43:58,390 --> 01:43:55,189
michael horn's

2450
01:44:02,870 --> 01:44:00,790
it's been a long con game michael horn

2451
01:44:05,910 --> 01:44:02,880
has in it

2452
01:44:08,550 --> 01:44:05,920
and you're down to your very last card

2453
01:44:10,870 --> 01:44:08,560
in the con game

2454
01:44:13,830 --> 01:44:10,880
michael horn's back is against the wall

2455
01:44:16,790 --> 01:44:13,840
and so is billy myers

2456
01:44:19,189 --> 01:44:16,800
and so they my friends are going to

2457
01:44:23,030 --> 01:44:19,199
their last card

2458
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:26,070
and the play

2459
01:44:29,590 --> 01:44:27,830
is a desperate

2460
01:44:33,990 --> 01:44:29,600
one

2461
01:44:36,629 --> 01:44:34,000
it's the last card after all

2462
01:44:39,189 --> 01:44:36,639
last play that billy meyer and michael

2463
01:44:41,310 --> 01:44:39,199
horn have left

2464
01:44:43,350 --> 01:44:41,320
in this long con game

2465
01:44:48,070 --> 01:44:43,360
[Music]

2466
01:44:52,390 --> 01:44:50,310
the world

2467
01:44:56,950 --> 01:44:52,400
is in danger

2468
01:44:56,960 --> 01:45:00,550
from multiple threats

2469
01:45:06,870 --> 01:45:04,310
from a new american civil war

2470
01:45:10,229 --> 01:45:06,880
to apophis

2471
01:45:16,070 --> 01:45:10,239
a killer size asteroid smashing into

2472
01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:20,390
two volcanoes

2473
01:45:26,550 --> 01:45:23,270
long dormant erupting on earth

2474
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:30,629
our atmosphere

2475
01:45:35,030 --> 01:45:32,629
folks

2476
01:45:37,510 --> 01:45:35,040
the last play

2477
01:45:44,629 --> 01:45:37,520
in the billy meyer playbook is the

2478
01:45:49,830 --> 01:45:47,109
billy meyer

2479
01:45:53,030 --> 01:45:49,840
and michael horn are now playing the

2480
01:45:56,950 --> 01:45:54,629
and making

2481
01:46:03,350 --> 01:45:56,960
pretty shocking predictions about what's

2482
01:46:09,350 --> 01:46:06,229
another doomsday cult that some people

2483
01:46:12,470 --> 01:46:09,360
may remember that was also

2484
01:46:15,109 --> 01:46:12,480
focused around ufos and aliens is

2485
01:46:16,950 --> 01:46:15,119
heaven's gate

2486
01:46:21,030 --> 01:46:16,960
my friends

2487
01:46:25,510 --> 01:46:23,590
and i am

2488
01:46:29,030 --> 01:46:25,520
sad

2489
01:46:32,310 --> 01:46:29,040
and somewhat concerned to see

2490
01:46:34,070 --> 01:46:32,320
that the last card

2491
01:46:37,510 --> 01:46:34,080
the last play

2492
01:46:40,870 --> 01:46:37,520
in the playbook of cosmic con man billy

2493
01:46:42,870 --> 01:46:40,880
meyer and by extension his mouthpiece

2494
01:46:47,350 --> 01:46:42,880
michael horn

2495
01:46:52,950 --> 01:46:50,470
the last card in their cosmic con man

2496
01:46:55,430 --> 01:46:52,960
card game

2497
01:46:59,030 --> 01:46:55,440
the last card that they're playing is

2498
01:47:00,790 --> 01:46:59,040
the doomsday card my friends

2499
01:47:10,709 --> 01:47:00,800
the same

2500
01:47:14,229 --> 01:47:10,719
the gate cult and we see how that ended

2501
01:47:15,910 --> 01:47:14,239
and by the way we can see this

2502
01:47:17,990 --> 01:47:15,920
this

2503
01:47:18,790 --> 01:47:18,000
method repeated

2504
01:47:23,750 --> 01:47:18,800
by

2505
01:47:27,350 --> 01:47:23,760
charismatic con men who run cults

2506
01:47:32,550 --> 01:47:30,709
many different scenarios of these cosmic

2507
01:47:37,750 --> 01:47:32,560
con men

2508
01:47:47,750 --> 01:47:40,149
leading their cult

2509
01:47:53,270 --> 01:47:49,350
i guess you could say i'm sad and a

2510
01:47:57,510 --> 01:47:55,109
it's not just

2511
01:48:00,070 --> 01:47:57,520
billy meyer that seems to be playing

2512
01:48:02,310 --> 01:48:00,080
this card lately

2513
01:48:04,870 --> 01:48:02,320
but a lot of other

2514
01:48:07,990 --> 01:48:04,880
and even more popular

2515
01:48:10,470 --> 01:48:08,000
cosmic con men are now also playing that

2516
01:48:15,030 --> 01:48:12,310
and quite honestly my friends i'm a

2517
01:48:16,229 --> 01:48:15,040
little bit concerned about how

2518
01:48:17,750 --> 01:48:16,239
these

2519
01:48:20,870 --> 01:48:17,760
cults

2520
01:48:24,310 --> 01:48:20,880
and cult leaders playing that doomsday

2521
01:48:26,310 --> 01:48:24,320
card is going to work out for them

2522
01:48:31,270 --> 01:48:26,320
and especially

2523
01:48:36,070 --> 01:48:32,870
one can say i'm more than a little

2524
01:48:38,870 --> 01:48:37,990
especially

2525
01:48:40,470 --> 01:48:38,880
because

2526
01:48:42,470 --> 01:48:40,480
i wonder

2527
01:48:45,109 --> 01:48:42,480
if

2528
01:48:52,629 --> 01:48:45,119
i can do anything to help stop

2529
01:48:56,709 --> 01:48:54,550
what is my responsibility here am i

2530
01:48:58,870 --> 01:48:56,719
supposed to inform people i'm trying to

2531
01:49:01,189 --> 01:48:58,880
inform people am i supposed to educate

2532
01:49:03,270 --> 01:49:01,199
people i'm trying to educate people am i

2533
01:49:07,109 --> 01:49:03,280
supposed to help those

2534
01:49:11,109 --> 01:49:07,119
suffering at the hands of

2535
01:49:11,119 --> 01:49:15,109
i'm trying

2536
01:49:20,390 --> 01:49:17,589
i do the best that i can here with no

2537
01:49:21,830 --> 01:49:20,400
resources and no help and

2538
01:49:24,149 --> 01:49:21,840
very little help

2539
01:49:30,229 --> 01:49:25,750
you know i i'm

2540
01:49:32,149 --> 01:49:30,239
i don't mean to uh get somber here but

2541
01:49:34,070 --> 01:49:32,159
i want people to understand how

2542
01:49:35,510 --> 01:49:34,080
concerned i am

2543
01:49:39,030 --> 01:49:35,520
about these

2544
01:49:41,589 --> 01:49:39,040
ufo con men cosmic con men

2545
01:49:44,870 --> 01:49:41,599
cult leaders of late

2546
01:49:47,510 --> 01:49:44,880
how many of them seem to be running that

2547
01:49:50,310 --> 01:49:47,520
last play in the playbook

2548
01:49:51,830 --> 01:49:50,320
apocalypse is coming doomsday is coming

2549
01:49:53,350 --> 01:49:51,840
only i

2550
01:49:55,589 --> 01:49:53,360
and our

2551
01:49:57,669 --> 01:49:55,599
group will be saved and everyone else

2552
01:49:58,950 --> 01:49:57,679
will die

2553
01:50:00,709 --> 01:49:58,960
only i

2554
01:50:04,070 --> 01:50:00,719
can help you survive the coming

2555
01:50:10,149 --> 01:50:08,149
it's a dangerous scenario to run

2556
01:50:12,390 --> 01:50:10,159
and the reason that this scenario gets

2557
01:50:15,270 --> 01:50:12,400
so dangerous is because

2558
01:50:19,350 --> 01:50:15,280
these doomsday people when nothing ever

2559
01:50:23,990 --> 01:50:22,149
really bad things happen within the cult

2560
01:50:26,709 --> 01:50:24,000
they got to do something after their

2561
01:50:30,390 --> 01:50:26,719
predictions all fail an apocalypse never

2562
01:50:35,030 --> 01:50:32,550
and sadly this is the last card in the

2563
01:50:36,390 --> 01:50:35,040
playbook of billy meyer

2564
01:50:39,910 --> 01:50:36,400
it seems

2565
01:50:43,669 --> 01:50:39,920
and by extension his

2566
01:50:47,910 --> 01:50:43,679
american media representative michael

2567
01:50:52,149 --> 01:50:49,750
so

2568
01:50:53,750 --> 01:50:52,159
honestly folks i think i've said all

2569
01:50:56,310 --> 01:50:53,760
that i could say

2570
01:50:59,750 --> 01:50:56,320
about the ugly truth of the billy meyer

2571
01:51:03,109 --> 01:51:01,109
i never

2572
01:51:04,550 --> 01:51:03,119
intended

2573
01:51:06,550 --> 01:51:04,560
or planned

2574
01:51:09,589 --> 01:51:06,560
to become part of the story but somehow

2575
01:51:13,189 --> 01:51:11,589
and now that i'm part of the story i

2576
01:51:16,950 --> 01:51:13,199
hope

2577
01:51:25,030 --> 01:51:18,830
for closing that

2578
01:51:31,270 --> 01:51:26,629
because my friends

2579
01:51:31,280 --> 01:51:35,589
there's nothing for me here

2580
01:51:42,950 --> 01:51:39,350
there's no benefit to be gained

2581
01:51:48,470 --> 01:51:42,960
by trying to milk a dead cow

2582
01:51:48,480 --> 01:51:52,709
there is nothing there my friends

2583
01:51:57,430 --> 01:51:54,950
nothing

2584
01:51:59,030 --> 01:51:57,440
worth any more time

2585
01:52:03,669 --> 01:51:59,040
any more energy

2586
01:52:09,109 --> 01:52:05,990
but i'm glad

2587
01:52:13,189 --> 01:52:11,189
that i got to run down that rabbit hole

2588
01:52:18,390 --> 01:52:13,199
one last time and

2589
01:52:23,910 --> 01:52:20,149
i got to do that

2590
01:52:28,310 --> 01:52:25,990
but like i said

2591
01:52:31,910 --> 01:52:28,320
there comes a time when you really just

2592
01:52:35,350 --> 01:52:31,920
gotta close the fairy tale book

2593
01:52:38,709 --> 01:52:35,360
and put the fairy tale behind you

2594
01:52:42,149 --> 01:52:38,719
and that my friends is where i'm at with

2595
01:52:45,030 --> 01:52:42,159
the billy myer case and one

2596
01:52:47,430 --> 01:52:45,040
michael the weasel horn

2597
01:52:49,589 --> 01:52:47,440
until next time folks my name is stephen

2598
01:52:52,229 --> 01:52:49,599
campion reminding you

2599
01:52:55,830 --> 01:52:52,239
that a snake will always be a snake a

2600
01:52:59,920 --> 01:52:55,840
snake changes his skin not his fangs